I think OP's opinion that it is not in good fun means more then people r taking out of it. A lot of conversations if ur not there you don't get a full appreciation of the meaning etc. If it is how you say it is I would go out of my way to make it more apparent to every1 else how obnoxious he is as stiffing him is not really good enough IMO and now he can be as big as an ******* as he wants and just say this guy stiffs me all the time. I like the idea of whenever he says anything repeat it in english like you didn't understand what he said properly or you are shocked he said that. It would only take a couple of time b4 every1 at the table hates his guts.

I don't regret that I didn't try to "nip it in the bud" and talk to the dealer, because I don't think he is worth the trouble. Some people don't deserve the civility because they weren't civil to begin with. And even if I tried to be civil and talked to him, he would probably just laugh on the inside and be glad that he got to me enough for me to complain and try to get him to stop. And then he will probably proceed to talk trash behind my back.

And yes, this is more about revenge now. I agree that having the mindset of spite is unhealthy for me and I'll try to stop, but he is still banned from my tips.

Having that talk with the dealer and trying to nip it in the bud was for YOUR satisfaction and peace of mind. Not his.

Look, we can't control what people say behind our backs, but, if this were me, I'd rather get whatever it was that was bothering me off my chest ASAP. Again, this isn't really for his benefit although it might actually benefit him regardless. Or perhaps he'll benefit from the one-on-one down the road. Who knows.

The reason why you feel revengeful now is because you chose to let it steep and steep and steep; in fact, I bet you've build it up to this great big thing(I'M NOT DOUBTING YOU THAT THIS GUY WASNT THE TOOL YOU SAY, OK?) that probably had a good chance at resolving itself right from the beginning. No one says you have to grovel to him "to be nice to you", and I never said that a simple STFU would be a bad approach either. But, something should've been said IF it has caused you to feel this revenge towards him now.

Lastly, I agree to the non tipping. Apparently, however, that's not enough for you because your peace of mind is compromised whenever he sits in the box. Try to find a way to fix that so YOU can feel better. And, who knows, maybe you'll get a surprise and this dealer will actually apologize(and mean it) and the two of you can have a healthy friendship/aquatance from that point on.

Gl

Yeah, man, I don't get how this guy can get under your skin to the point of the things you are posting. I would have told him to piss off long ago and never given him another thought. I hope a reg never slowrolls you.

Give it a rest. The dealer was a jerk, and this guy put up with it for a long time. Enough is enough.

Playing nicely with others is supposed to be kindergarten stuff. It's not his job to be the dealer's mother.

Hay

There is a dealer who is regularly dealing the times I play that does a decent job keeping the game moving and doesn't really make any mstakes. However, the guy is a total ass. Hes very condescending, laughs at players (seemingly) stupid mistakes/comments and just in general seems to hate his job/people and would rather be anywhere else. Doesn't really show appreciate or say "thank you" to tokes.

Thoughts on stiffing this guy?

The guy is working for tips, and as you say he's keeping the game moving. Stiffing him isn't going to solve anything unless you tell him why, and if you've got the nerve to tell him why you can do it without holding back his income. The only reason I would consider not tipping is if the dealer makes me want to go elsewhere - and if that were the case I would let the floor know and give the house a chance to correct the problem.

Dealers that don't say thank you for every $1 tip they get need to not be tipped.
I am not talking about if they forget 1 out of 20 or something. The fact is that dealers that don't say thank you every time feel that they are supposed to be tipped and that it isn't optional or doesn't depend on service or other factors.

There are panhandlers in front of 7-11 who are more personable when you don't give them anything than some dealers when you do give them $1.

Not asking for a "you've just won the Publisher's Clearinghouse Sweepstakes" reaction, but at least a nod of recognition.

I actually told a dealer once, "You have to say thank you or I'm not going to tip you." He now says "Thank you" every time.

I believe in being straight up right away, this way, if they still wind up acting unprofessionally, I'll know that I at least went out of my way to explain how they're coming across from our side of the table, and, if I decide not to tip them anymore, I wouldn't feel bad about it.

What would probably bother me more, though, is knowing that he's laughing at the other players; if he's laughing at them when they lose a hand or worse yet, laughing at the way they play...that would really piss me off. And, I'd prefer to talk to him away from the table about it and try to get him to stop doing it opposed to just not tipping him anymore, because, what he's blurting out of his mouth could potentially cost me a lot more money than the amount of money that I'd be saving by not tipping him.

Id stiff him, encourage others to stiff him, berate him anytime he let's condescending crap come out of his mouth, and ask him why he is in the box instead of playing.

If he still doesn't get a clue id talk to management.

How the **** are these dealers not saying thank you!?

Really? I could see if you were talking about every tip greater than $1 or maybe after just winning blinds, but to demand it every hand seems obnoxious. If a dealer says thanks when they get up it is more than enough in my opinion.

Good for those dealers that do say thank you often, but anyone who expects a thank you for $1 is a little full of themselves. Just my opinion. For the record I am not a dealer nor ever been one.

Right. The dealer not rejecting the $1 tip is thanks enough.

I have dealt before and played many more years than I dealt but I understand both sides of it.

The fact that someone doesn't say thank you tells what their mindset is. The ones who say thank you all the time are appreciative and understand that tipping is voluntary and that those $1 tips are what makes up a good portion of their check.

By them not saying thank you they are thinking that they deserve to be auto tipped no matter the size of pot or their level of service and there is no need to thank you because its automatic so why even waste a breath.

Imagine you go out to eat and normally you would leave a tip in the check holder and leave and never see any reaction from the waiter/waitress. But lets say your bill was $16 and they gave you the check and you just gave them a $20 bill and said keep the change and at that point they just took it and walked away without saying thank you. How would that make you feel?

If I left $2.40 (15%) I wouldn't be posting in forums the waitress deserves to never be tipped again.

does the cage pool their tips or do they keep them like poker dealers?

Usually cage pools tips among themselves and also gets a small % of dealer's tips.
Brush usually keep their own tips plus get small % of dealer's tips.

It all varies from place to place.

I don't get irritated by dealers who don't say thank you for every tip, but it is definitely plus ev for the dealers that do. It makes me much more likely to tip on marginal pots and to throw in an extra buck on large pots. I think people are naturally inclined to be more generous towards those who show greater appreciation. Just how the world works.

100% agree a dealer has more earing potential if they keep a table moving, limit errors, and show appreciation when tipped. I am definitely more inclined to toss extra tip to those that show competence and appreciation.

However, unlike some I do think the $1 should be automatic and the 15% in a restaurant should be expected. Otherwise rake would be higher, and food would cost more because the casino and restaurant would never be able to have a full competent staff providing decent service at current wages. I guess my original point was it is obnoxious to feel slighted when you don't get a repetitive show of appreciation for doing what is expected.

I'm all for raising prices and abolishing tipping.

This point you made works easily well for a poker player, a dealer, a restaurant customer, or a waiter.

In some ways I agree with you, but that does cause a problem in some cases. A lot of people even in what are considered lower level jobs will do the best they can at their job simply out of self respect. However, there is still a decent portion that needs the motivation of tips to do the best job they can. Otherwise, why would a waitress hustle to serve you if it's not something that's going to get her fired but it doesn't change her pay either.

There's a reason that you usually get much better service in a sit down restaurant than a fast food restaurant and the reason is tips.

The same goes for poker dealers. If the casino expects them to deal x hands per down, why would they be motivated to deal x+5?

Actually I don't go to fast food restaurants much, but when I do, I get better service there, because I do it myself. No waiting for a drink refill, just get up and do it. A lot faster, and not difficult. No trying to flag someone down and then waiting for your bill either. If I got the same quality food in a fast food place I would prefer that.

If you pay your top employees the same as your knuckle draggers, then you'll be left with the knuckle draggers and unhappy customers. Shufflemasters can keep track of hands dealt per down. I don't see the problem.