I can't say that I have noticed a difference between douchebags that tip and douchebags that stiff.



Those don't sound like good dealers. A good dealer would whoop ass (deal quickly and accurately while taking control of the game) and give players good reason to tip. Slowing down and being an insufferable douche will not incentivise players to tip. How could it? Tell those dealer friends of yours that they are likely making good dealers' jobs more difficult.

Which is exactly his mindset.

See above. As you and everyone else is well aware, the customary tip for waitresses is $1. She has x amount of space on her tray to deliver drinks to players and by taking up two spaces, you are essentially reducing her tips/trip by $1.

As they say, tipping is optional and/or at your discretion, and I wouldn't have commented on your post if not for the fact that you went out of your way to state that you're not cheap. Your actions belie your opinion of yourself.

Let me tell you, they aren't good dealers.

yes, i do actually. why wouldnt i? i play 4x a week and it does hurt the bottom line.

since you play once a month, you dont care, and you can be the one balancing it out and throwing $5 every hand you win.

no wanna be pro here, but what your saying is complete BS if you actually took any of your playing seriously you would see that im far from being out of line here.

I would tip them a dollar every pot. Unless you took down the blinds or a $20 pot or something like that.

not tipping, and knowing that they work for tips, is just like saying "**** you dealer".

but im not "not tipping"...im tipping when the pot justifies it. just like you said if its a small pot im not tipping a $1, but if its multiple small pots then i will throw a tip.

my gf says i over tip actually. i would auto give 20% at restaurants even if they were bad bc ive been there before. she told me i am too nice and to always give 15% unless it was amazing service. i havent changed my ways, so, am i still a cheapskate?

Not calling you a cheapskate. Not saying you should change. I'm just going to point out that you follow society's "rules" for tipping waitstaff even if the service doesn't deserve it, but you have come up with your own rules for tipping poker dealers, saying "tipping when the pot justifies it". It's you that's making the decision, not the pot.

If you want to avoid an issue just tell the guy that you tip based on the size of the pot which can either be good or bad for dealers depending on the session but that you respect he has a different way of doing things. Then just leave it at that. If he presses, just say that you are heading back to the table and don't see any point in discussing it further.

ah, i see your point...now i feel a bit bad. SRS, playing tonight and well see what happens

Haven't read the whole thread so I apologize if this is redundent but would like a little feedback. The non tippers can ignore because I am not interested in hearing how I shouldn't tip. I consider myself a decent tipper, generally $1 a pot or more depending on size of pot. This doesn't change whether I am up or down. Won a HH jackpot the other night with a Royal...$500. Thoughts on tip size there? Pot was a meaningless size...<$100.

Lol no one expects you to read the whole thread when it's +330 pages!

$20-25 would be my tip for all but the most dreadful of dealers(I'd probably give them $10). To each their own.

no more than 20 unless there was a dealer error during the hand that caused you to get there. I would definitely tip more if they effed up just for the self-amusement it would provide me. But then again, I don't value money that much

1. Yes, that is what im saying. regs tip somewhere in the vacinity of $2 per hand. ive seen recs tip greenbirds and some rec at the venetian stacked me and threw the dealer a black chip

2. and again, look at the commerce. min wage went up by $1, yet they raised time by $1 per player per half. so the dealer makes one more dollar per hour and the casino makes 17 more dollars per hour. and the regs are pissed so they tip less. there is no way a rake increase ever goes straight to the dealers (basically, i agree that they are thieving douchebags)

as to your last point, im not sure how 14 hands per down is slow. that is almost certainly higher than normal for a 5-10 or 10-20 game

$2 a hand seems quite high; that equates out to about $14k a year in tips if you play full-time. Unless you are a crusher, that is going to really cut into your bottom line. And even if you are a crusher and thus winning more than your fair share of pots, then that number could be higher than $14k.

Right, I meant to type per hour.

Lets all get on the same page.

Down == half hour

Game == NL

So you are saying 28 hands/hr for NL.

For Limit, 28 hands/hr it will get you fired at many casinos (Bay101 and Lucky Chances).

I don't want to discuss whether this should or should not factor into your tipping. Nor is it justification for such a large rake increase. But it should be noted that the dealer is not the only one who's salary went up with the min wage increase.

Standard is 5-10% on this size jackpot.

Clearly won't be a popular take here, but he's right about this. The 1/2 pretend pros really need to dial it back a bit. Try not taking yourselves so seriously for once. And it doesn't affect your bottom line nearly as much as you think. Newsflash - contrary to stunningly incompetent 2p2 belief, tipping $25 during a session doesn't mean you'd have had $25 more at the end of it if you didn't tip.

Tip as much or as little as you want. In the end, it will affect your winrate. Don't forget floor people and the people who clean casino bathrooms.

Yeah, it means you'd have more than $25 if you're a winning player.

???? it's actually worth more then $25 if you are a winning player. (I'm assuming u'd win more all ins then u'd lose if you're a winning player but I guess that's not necessarily true) Anyways I would say majority of the stingier type players value $25 on the table as worth as much or more then $25 off the table or they wouldn't buy in for the max/top off as often as they do. Seen people tip/pay time off the table b4 b/c they believed this so much.

Don't get me wrong I do agree people should be considerate and take care of people who do a good job and are reliant on tips for majority if not all their income but implying that the money they're giving is less valuable and they shouldn't treat it as their own is absurd.

I think it's 3-5% especially if u fill out a W2. I guess if it's smaller 5-10% might be standard

If you're playing 2/5nl, and just bought in for $500, and on your first hand get AA and end up all in against a guy with KK who alao has $500, and your AA holds up, you win $500 profit in that hand. Would anyone really consider tipping the dealer $25-$50 for that hand? I doubt it.

But change that same $500 to a jackpot, and many people think $25-$50 is "standard". I think the entire notion of paying a percentage of a jackpot or tourney winnings is a contruct designed to guilt players into giving away more money. I had a dealer tell me that a dealer who dealt a $400k BBJ got "screwed" (his very words) because he "only" got a $4k tip.

Everytime someone loses hundreds or thousands of dollars on a bad beat, if they get mad at the dealer, they will be correctly chastised because "the dealer has nothing to do with what cards come". But when that dealer deals a BBJ suddenly they become a key partner in the process entitled to a significant percentage of the winnings, for their role in the BBJ appearing.

I'm very guilty of this. And I agree with you.