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06-14-2014 , 12:15 AM

#4726

steamraise

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Originally Posted by fergie12

"is this for me?"

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NO TIP FOR YOU.

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06-14-2014 , 06:29 PM

#4727

vjniel

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most dealers at 1/2 and 2/5 games are bad and don't deserve tipping. They are doing their job and earning a salary for it, they don't have a stake in the pot that people are winning. Even though it appears that people are making huge money in pots, the reality is that most people are losing money playing poker, and only the dealer is making more per hour than than 90% of the players.

But people don't see in long term, they see short term, a big pot won, tip the dealer 5 bucks.

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06-14-2014 , 06:32 PM

#4728

vjniel

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don't tip for a month and you make 50$ at least over a year 600$, over 20 years, 12000$
and invest that amount in stocks with bull runs like apple, microsoft, and you have your 100k

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06-15-2014 , 08:40 AM

#4729

Rush17

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Originally Posted by vjniel

most dealers at 1/2 and 2/5 games are bad and don't deserve tipping.

What does this even mean?^

Are you saying that, in your room, they put all the bad dealers in the 1/2, 2/5 tables and the better, more experienced dealers in the higher stakes tables?

Dealers are dealers. If they're good at what they do, they will be good at their job whether dealing at a $1/2 table or a $100/200 table. Same goes for a bad dealer; they don't magically get any better just because they just sat down to deal at a high stakes table.

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06-15-2014 , 12:39 PM

#4730

Rapini

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Originally Posted by vjniel

don't tip for a month and you make 50$ at least over a year 600$, over 20 years, 12000$
and invest that amount in stocks with bull runs like apple, microsoft, and you have your 100k

You might want to do some reading here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/30...nce-investing/

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07-13-2014 , 11:33 AM

#4731

Jkpoker10

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What is a solid tip for a tournament cash? I probably tip around 10% and just wondering if that is fair.

Also do dealers get pissed when they are not tipped. I was playing 1-2 last night and I saw some noob player not tipping and kinda lold in my head. I always tip $1..... never more. I finding tipping stupid, the casino should just pay dealers more as they make lots of money and it just eats the players bankroll in a game the casino already takes money out of.

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07-13-2014 , 11:55 AM

#4732

Rapini

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Tipping 10% for a tournament cash is very generous. If there is a portion of the buy-in withheld for staff, then I wouldn't tip because there was an automatic gratuity. If there wasn't, then I'd probably go between 0% and 15% depending on my profit, the quality of my experience, and the length and size of the tournament.

I have seen dealers get upset when they get stiffed on big pots or a couple pots in a row, but there also are dealers I've seen get stiffed on big pots or a couple pots in a row who did a superb job of pretending not to notice.

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07-13-2014 , 03:07 PM

#4733

steamraise

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Originally Posted by Rapini

Tipping 10% for a tournament cash is very generous.

Yes it is.

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Originally Posted by Rapini

I'd probably go between 0% and 15% depending on my profit, the quality of my experience, and the length and size of the tournament.

That's very fair.

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Originally Posted by Rapini

a superb job of pretending not to notice.

Getting steamed is just gonna make my day worse.
Letting the players see I'm steamed isn't gonna help my tips a bit.

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07-13-2014 , 04:59 PM

#4734

T1967

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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10

I finding tipping stupid, the casino should just pay dealers more as they make lots of money and it just eats the players bankroll in a game the casino already takes money out of.

Do you really think the casinos wouldn't pass the cost of higher dealer wages along to the players? You'd be looking at increased rake/time, raking all pre-flop action (in houses that have "no flop/ no drop"), increased food/drink prices, eliminating free wifi, etc. You certainly can't have your cake and eat it too...

Also, lol @ complaining about the casino taking money out of players bankrolls.
A for-profit business actually being paid for the use of their facilities/ services. The horror...

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07-14-2014 , 12:00 PM

#4735

wilson1560

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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10

I much prefer tipping dealers to adding an extra dollar of rake. One dollar a pot tip or one dollar extra rake will be close to a wash for the players, but with tipping the dealers are incentivized to be efficient and care about the quality of the customers' experience. I do disagree with places that let players tip the floor manager because it creates a least the appearance of bias whenever a ruling is made that goes in favor of a good tipper.

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07-14-2014 , 12:41 PM

#4736

AngusThermopyle

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Originally Posted by wilson1560

but with tipping the dealers are incentivized to be efficient and care about the quality of the customers' experience.

And we all know that slow, inefficient, rude, biased dealers are not a problem because of the above. They all adapt or quit.

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I do disagree with places that let players tip the floor manager because it creates a least the appearance of bias whenever a ruling is made that goes in favor of a good tipper.

And of course a dealer has zero ways of biasing a Floor's decision or otherwise rewarding/punishing players based on tipping patterns.

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07-14-2014 , 05:43 PM

#4737

Rush17

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Originally Posted by wilson1560

I do disagree with places that let players tip the floor manager because it creates a least the appearance of bias whenever a ruling is made that goes in favor of a good tipper.

That's life.

Same goes for tipping the dealer(or anybody else in the service industry); you get what you put out.

Do you think, that if you never toked the dealer, and a situation came up that you were involved in and a Floor was called over, that the dealer would do everything he could for you?

I WISH I could toke my Floorpeople.

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07-14-2014 , 06:19 PM

#4738

EvilGreebo

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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle

And we all know that slow, inefficient, rude, biased dealers are not a problem because of the above. They all adapt or quit.

And of course a dealer has zero ways of biasing a Floor's decision or otherwise rewarding/punishing players based on tipping patterns.

Both of your arguments are taking the stance that because doing X increases a negative Y, not doing X should eliminate that negative.

That is fallacious reasoning.

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07-20-2014 , 11:44 AM

#4739

AA Suited

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massage girls in my local poker room is $2/min, or 15min for $25.

someone at my table got a 15min massage. when he was done, he gave her a $25chip.
another player said What, no Tip?

the guy replied that massage girls are independent contractors. and you should not tip the owner of the business.

what do you think?

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07-20-2014 , 12:28 PM

#4740

Whoiami

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Originally Posted by AA Suited

I say tip her... She touched you for 15 minutes and probably had to pay someone a portion of the 25... Or at least a portion here and a portion there

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07-20-2014 , 01:10 PM

#4741

BradleyT

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Even if they're paying out 50%, which seems unlikely, that's $50/hr. So let's say they pay out 50% and average 45 minutes of work per hour - $37.50/hr. That's fair enough compensation. Plus I imagine there are going to be guys that tip so they probably bring in $45/hr.

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07-20-2014 , 01:37 PM

#4742

bigfishead

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Originally Posted by BradleyT

Yes you're right. They don't pay out 50%. They pay MORE (in LV anyways)

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07-20-2014 , 01:44 PM

#4743

AA Suited

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Originally Posted by bigfishead

Yes you're right. They don't pay out 50%. They pay MORE (in LV anyways)

someone replied in another thread that in my poker room, the massage girls keep 60%.

so its on the honor system about how much $ the massage girl tells their boss?

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07-20-2014 , 02:04 PM

#4744

I Like Scotch

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At my poker room, the massage girls keep 75%. Anybody think you could make a living being a massage man? I might have to give it a try.

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07-20-2014 , 09:58 PM

#4745

_riverme

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What about tipping the slot runner? My wife hit a jackpot on a slot machine for over 1k. Is there tipping protocol here?

To me it seems crazy to give someone a tip in this situation for a variety of reasons but curious of others' thoughts.

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07-21-2014 , 12:03 AM

#4746

I Like Scotch

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Originally Posted by _riverme

I agree with you that it is crazy, but id say at least 95% of people tip them.If you dont tip them they will be incredibly rude and wait around "fixing" your slot or another slot nearby, hoping you will change your mind. They make a decent wage without tips, unlike dealers, so they shouldnt expect anything imo.

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07-21-2014 , 09:53 AM

#4747

Rapini

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Originally Posted by BradleyT

Where are you getting the 45 mins worked per hour number from? In the room I play most, it seems like the massage girls are walking around much more than they're massaging. And that's not for lack of trying -- they're almost constantly on the move, being pleasant, and asking if people would like massages.

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07-21-2014 , 03:10 PM

#4748

Rush17

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Originally Posted by _riverme

I don't ever play slots, but if I ever did and won 1k, sure, I'd tip the slot runner a couple bucks($10). It's not gonna make or break you but it'll probably make their day a little brighter; that's worth the $10, imo. But it's just that.: My opinion.

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07-21-2014 , 04:50 PM

#4749

Suit

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They are doing a lot of paperwork for your jackpot and running back and forth. Give them a few bucks. Where I work most ppl tip on slot jackpots. What's $10 or $20 on a $1,200+ hit?