Well in my mind I was thinking 25% VIG + dealer tips in tournaments + dealer tips in cash games seems like an awful lot of overhead. I was thinking since I was going to be playing cash games anyway that the dealers would get their money then.

I have no idea what the split is. I think the dealers get $3 per entry if I'm reading it right since the "buy-in" is under $50.

In Ontario the casinos are union shops they could collectively refuse the work or go before the gaming commission. It would be long drawn out thing but it could happen.

Really awful reasoning IMO. They should get tips for the tournament AND for cash games. You can word it any way you want with any justification. The bold is straight up stiffing the dealers.

Well that's what I'm asking because 25% VIG is so high that I was already tipping them then. It seems like I'm double-dipping on tips if I give more on top of that VIG. It's like tipping more even though the 18% gratuity is included.

Very few dealers in the poker world work under union rules.

And I'm not sure if even in a union shop you would get a job action just because the tips in tournaments are too low.

That's why I said figure out how much the dealers get and then tip your usually depending in what/if you win. If you are going to tip $20, but the dealers get $10 from each buyin, tip $10.

Nothing awful with this reasoning at all IMO. If you feel that 'gimme here, gimme there, and gimme again here' (wording it any way I want...) is excessive, then do what you feel is ok to balance it. Just because you're not tipping from every possible direction does not mean you are straight up stiffing the dealers.

I mean, I'm not a cheap person. I tip 30% in restaurants. I tip when I get carryout. I tip in situations where people aren't expecting a tip.

If I'm entering a $200+$20 tournament, and I get $5000, I'll throw the dealers $100-$200.

But if I'm entering a $60 tournament, and $15 of it is taken for VIG, and first prize is like $650, and I have to pay $200 of that in taxes, then the dealers have to get stiffed this time. I'm already at about 50% ROI just to break even. The dealers will have to get theirs in the cash games and the VIG.

As a dealer, imho @25% juice in low entry, low # of players (under 300 players & $125 say, beyond that I don't know) you should probably stiff the staff/dealers.

In reality the rake can't be beaten.

I personally am very profitable in tournaments lifetime. This does include over 8000 mtt's online. Live, just havent played enough and am marginally loser over small sample size of well under 100 events. But I refuse to play in high juice events. Even where I work, while the structure is one of the best in LV, at 28% juice with 3% toke cut I won't play it. I personally believe with juice that high they are long term unbeatable.

A few things:


1.) It sounds like you're assuming that the house cut includes tip for the dealers. Please ask the floor or the people running the tournament what part of that goes to the dealers. Sounds like you'd be surprised if they said none of it.

2.) If you're paying $200 taxes on a $650 win, that's your prerogative to be cutting 30% out of your winnings already. Pretty much no one does this when they win one of these small tournaments 10% of the time and the other 90% they're not seeing any return on their $65 entry. (you get my point, the numbers are different for everyone) I would venture to say that you're using the paying tax thing as a "technically right thing to do" to make it seem like you're not getting that full amount. I understand what you're doing from a logical argument standpoint, but it's very unlikely that you're going to file this win in your taxes.

3.) If you ate dinner at a restaurant, you wouldn't stiff the waiter just because you're going to their bar later and are going to order drinks. Not only is the bartender going to get all the gratuity while the waiter gets zero, but are you going to tip that full amount if you just order one drink and then leave? In your poker situation, what if you don't win a hand at the cash game because you get stacked in the first hand you play? Now no one is getting a tip.



Here's what you need to do. Find out how much of the rake is going to the dealers. Then you can figure out what you feel is appropriate. You may not even have to tip that much on top of it. No one's asking you to tip $100 on your $600 win. If I didn't know if they got tipped or not, I'd probably leave $60 and 10% is probably a lot higher than what the average Joe would leave. I'm not saying anything about whether the amount is a good or bad tip. Now this is just me, but I'd ask at the window if they can say whether or not the 2nd/3rd place guys tipped. I know it's not my responsibility to make sure everyone tips their fair share, but if they told me that they had, I'd be inclined not to "overtip" like I normally do. Often times they'll say yes and that relieves some of what I feel is my responsibility to make sure the dealers get what they deserve (obviously it's not really on me to make sure that happens).

@ReidLockhart, I'm fairly confident that the context in which most people are referring is MTT's with normal advertised 3% "for staff" events.

In the same context is what my response above replies too. With 25% (and sometimes more) juice, plus 3% staff withheld I don't blame anyone for not toking. AND I'M IN THE BUSINESS!

You suggest the dealers should get what they deserve (extremely subjective), yet it appears the players are obviously not getting what they deserve with such high juice AND 3% for staff.

To me, what they deserve is five shifts, with at least six hours a shift "in the box" and a minimal amount of downs dealing tournaments.

But I am just a player, not management.

I like you!

I too would like to point out the staff cut is mostly going to the floor, the dealers see very little of this money, that being said the vig everywhere seems to be high. So I can understand both points. But being a dealer I would like to make sure people know very little of the staff cut is for the dealers.

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Thoughts on tipping where they pool their tips with everyone (including the pit) and some dealers are just piss poor?

I tip the good dealers a little more, and the bad dealers a little less. Then I make a point to say something to the good dealers that I'm friendly with that "hey, Bill is really dogging it and costing the rest if you guys tips, kick his ass in the break room"

I put out a 5 card royal board a few weeks back. That was a first for me. 4 way pot at showdown, pot wasn't chopped. $1 tip.

It wasn't chopped???

Bingo

What is the typical tip for a valet picking up your car? I was thinking a buck is too cheap these days, is two bucks standard? Thanks.

As a former valet, I'd say 2-5. No one ever cursed under their breath at a $2 tip. But I can tell you that every time someone drives off after giving a single dollar, the valet turned around to his co-workers and said "OOOH A WHOLE DOLLAR". It's a fine line =P

Didn't even think of it

I use $2 bills to tip valets and cocktail waitresses. I tip one $2 bill when I drop off my car and two $2 bills when I pick it up.

BTW, a buck was standard 40 years ago. Using the government's cost-of-living calculator, $1 in 1973 = $5.24 in 2013.

Tipping is so -EV don't understand why anyone does it