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12-24-2012 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
How many hands did the dealer miss as a result of you being paid out?
Answering a question with a question isn't an answer at all. And the question wasn't how much money should he tip, but rather, what is a standard tip.

A more informative answer would have been:

A) There is no standard tip amount for bonus prizes such as high hands and bad beat jackpots.

B) The most common tip amount for a bonus such as this (roughly $1000) is somewhere in the $50 range. Anywhere up to 10% would still fall in the "normal" range, although a $100 tip on a $1000 jackpot is very generous. On the flip side a $20 tip is also a perfectly fine tip amount. And giving the dealer no tip at all wouldn't be unheard of.

If any taxes were withheld before you were given the money, or if you were required to sign a 1099 or any other tax form which would indicate tax liability at a later date, that could also affect how much you might want to tip the dealer.
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12-24-2012 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
How many hands did the dealer miss as a result of you being paid out?
Zero, Its paid out weekly.
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12-24-2012 , 05:11 AM
He was trying to ask if you stopped the game while they got your information and payed you for the high hand. He was implying that if the dealer had to stop the game for a few minutes to get a supervisor over to pay you, you should tip more because he was not able to deal and make money while you were holding up the game
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12-24-2012 , 05:24 AM
I'm also confused by Rapini's question. A few missed hands (if any) wouldn't really be relevant, because any normal tip for the jackpot would more than cover it, so how would it matter? Unless he is is suggesting not tipping at all for the jackpot (which I doubt).
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12-24-2012 , 11:39 AM
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what he was implying. After all, the dealer just did his usual job, and it's not like he put in any extra work or special effort to deal the jackpot hand to the player.

Don't you know that this is the thread where we strive to contain the size of dealer tips? It's in the title for pete's sake.
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12-24-2012 , 11:55 AM
This is at a local club i play at. The high hand runs on a weekly basis. So the dealer didn't miss any hands.
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12-24-2012 , 12:18 PM
Well there's been plenty of discussion ITT where dealer's time is used as justification for how much to tip. So missed hands (missed tip opportunities) could be considered here. I believe Rapini's question serves to appease that aspect. Really, there could be many factors in play when deciding on a tip amount rather than a particular mindless standard. Bolt expanded on that a bit. Could consider one of the other heavily discussed factors - dealer quality. Have you been running good/bad lately? It's Christmas season so could lean more toward generous side. Etc.
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12-24-2012 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by bolt2112
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what he was implying. After all, the dealer just did his usual job, and it's not like he put in any extra work or special effort to deal the jackpot hand to the player.
Situation 1: I get dealt a royal flush and get a $500 high-hand jackpot.
Situation 2: I get dealt a royal flush at Bellagio where there are no high-hand jackpots.

Why does the dealer in situation 1 deserve a $25 toke and the dealer in situation 2 deserves $1?

Yes, that is EXACTLY what Rapini is saying. And it's 100% logical. If the game isn't slowed down, why is one hand that awards a jackpot deserving of greater tippage than another with no jackpot? If the jackpot award causes the table to come to a stop for 5 minutes while they verify the deck, and wait for surveillance to ok things before proceeding, then the jackpot award actually does cost the dealer money out of his pocket and hence the jackpot winner should give the dealer a bit more to compensate.

One reason poker rooms love jackpots is because it brings the staff measurably bigger tokes. Is this logical? That when the room starts raking $1 per hand for the jackpot that tokes go up?

I do tip considerably extra on jackpots, but that's because I want to. I still find it illogical that it should be expected of me.
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12-24-2012 , 05:20 PM
Thank you for the in put. Some really good points. Helped me make my decision.
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12-24-2012 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
This is an incredibly poorly-thought out post. What did you not understand about my post that you quoted? I said nothing about the way YOU tip. I said that you shouldn't be attempting to change the way others tip.
Post of the year!!!!
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12-24-2012 , 07:48 PM
What did you decide? America (and the rest of the world) wants to know.
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12-24-2012 , 07:50 PM
Dealing 40/80 very standard is the $1 tip.....2 on a big pot is also common...I'd be more then happy and deal that game getting $1 because it's the fastest game in the casino...

And once again poker has to be the only topic where tipping is up to debate...any bar or restaurant you would never consider tipping or not tipping

Question: if you go out to dinner and Thursday's the menu is half off everything do u tip on what the original bill would be or what it is with the discount...

And finally I love the excuse "well I'd tip but im losing a lot" I'm gonna use that one at my favorite restaurant and see what the waitress says when I don't tip her because I got buried at the casino...!!!

Happy holidays everybody!!!
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12-24-2012 , 08:33 PM
And I love the analogies of tipping dealers to tipping waitresses. This is a poker forum hence poker as the topic where tipping is discussed. I go to play poker with the purpose of leaving with more money. I go to a restaurant with the purpose of leaving with less money. People don't seem to think there's anything out of the ordinary (more so expected even) to receive better tips on bigger winnings, so why can't the same logic apply to tipping less when losing a lot?
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12-24-2012 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Lester Kluke
so why can't the same logic apply to tipping less when losing a lot?
It can.

I have a few regs who don't tip when losing yet are quite generous when winning.

Some tip the same whether winning or losing.

Some tip more on bigger pots, less or not at all on smaller pots.

Some tip the same whatever the size of the pot.

A few don't tip at all.

It all seems to even out.
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12-24-2012 , 09:20 PM
^ Of course it can. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by soxfan1962
And finally I love the excuse "well I'd tip but im losing a lot" I'm gonna use that one at my favorite restaurant and see what the waitress says when I don't tip her because I got buried at the casino...!!!
If she's reasonable, perhaps she'll say "That's ok dear, I know you gave me a fat tip last time when you had a great night at the poker table."
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12-24-2012 , 10:43 PM
Terrible way to look at things......and I know it's been talked about but I can see (although not really) not tipping in limit games but the tipping in nl games gets fluctuated if u get stacked and didn't matter what u tipped last hands...

Was wondering if people that tipped $10 the hand before get mad the next hand when they double up they could have had an extra $10.....just wondering
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12-24-2012 , 10:47 PM
Also was wondering from a dealers perspective if u play somewhere else do you tip other dealers over the top or just basic...

When I used to deal if I was dealing to a dealer that gave me action or played at our casino I'd tip them great but another dealer that just works 40 hours a week and never plays or gives action or "filters the money back in" it's always 1 white chip on top of the cards when I win.......

I got a sick mindset I'll tip good so u got ammo to fire in casino but if ur being smart and buying ur kids things and not gambling u get $1 hahaha
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12-25-2012 , 06:04 PM
A grumpy old guy is being very slow preflop, and the dealer reminds him action is on him. Grumpy old guy grumps. Dealer says he was just letting him know action was on him and we're all waiting for him. GOG grumps some more and says "I'm just not going to act, then" and folds his arms and leans back.

What happens next? Dealer should coax the player into behaving, or call the floor, right?

Well, in this case, I was playing in a room where the dealers share their tips. The dealer just smiles and says "fine with me, I get paid whether I deal or not, so this is like a vacation for me" and he crosses his arms and sits back, too.
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12-25-2012 , 06:14 PM
Call the clock on him every single hand till he gets on super tilt and acts crazy fast every hand spewing all his chips away.
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12-25-2012 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bav
What happens next?
I muck his hand or call the floor.
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12-25-2012 , 07:01 PM
Let him eventually play his hand, make the nuts against him, have him get it all in, and then take six minutes to call.
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01-16-2013 , 08:42 PM
Want to hear some opinions on tipping on the new Harrahs BBJ in Vegas.

For those that don't know, its a mega with 8 properties and starts at 200k and Quad Aces beat minimum, the qualify goes down each 100k it grows and it pays 10% to winning hand 20% to losing hand and 70% gets split among all live holdem players at the 8 properties.

Obviously the table it hits on would be normal tipping but it seems strange if it hits at Flamingo and I'm at Caesars and get a table share for $1500 to tip my dealer that had nothing to do with it. Except a nominal amount because all tables will be shut down for probably 2 hours for verification of play, missed blind, etc for table shares.

I understand the tip whatever you want mantra but I want to her some opinions.
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01-16-2013 , 08:55 PM
I'd do something nominal but not much - maybe $10-$25. I'd think they'd give you some type of voucher redeemable after the BBJ was verified and not need to shut down every table at every property.
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01-16-2013 , 09:03 PM
They'd never shut down the other tables. The table it hits at will probably get shut down for a 1/2 hour hour or so while they check the decks and the tapes, then it may take another hour for them to get paid.
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