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$2 obv.

I know one dealer who's too proud and actually returned a $1 tip from a player from something like a $900 pot. If it wasn't for the fact that he's been there at least ten years, I think he'd have been fired.

i have a friend who insists they'd rather get $0. they won't throw the tip back, but it's not appreciated. the argument: it takes longer to deal a bigger pot, more work involved and therefore, cutting out a hand or two from the down.

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08-29-2012 , 11:16 AM

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Alpha Fish

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Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb

so in case of raise-reraise-instaship-snapcall AA vs KK type of hand they'd be fine with $1 but if someone tank calls $40 river bluff and then tips just $1 they'd rather get $0?

Somehow I find it hard to believe

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08-29-2012 , 11:40 AM

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zunni74

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Originally Posted by Rapini

Some benefits suggested in this thread are lower rake than if casinos were to pay a living wage (which I'm not convinced of) and the ability to weed out bad dealers by tipping the good ones and stiffing the bad ones (which I am convinced would in fact work if players would resist the urge to tip $1/pot to every single dealer).

Except obviously in spots where tips are pooled

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08-29-2012 , 02:01 PM

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Rapini

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Originally Posted by zunni74

Except obviously in spots where tips are pooled

I don't play anywhere where tips are pooled and I don't think I'd ever become a regular at one unless it were the only game in town. But other than that, I agree with your post.

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08-29-2012 , 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb

i have a friend who insists they'd rather get $0

I'd be happy to oblige him.

Perhaps any dealer who thinks they're owed anything more than what I volunteer should wear some sort of scarlet T on their uniform.

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08-29-2012 , 05:22 PM

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I went to this place and they basically had waiters bring free food/drinks for anyone who was playing on a 1-2 or 2-5 table. How much would you pay for a plate, say filet mignon? How much for a beer?

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08-29-2012 , 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JayZ

I went to this place and they basically had waiters bring free food/drinks for anyone who was playing on a 1-2 or 2-5 table. How much would you pay for a plate, say filet mignon? How much for a beer?

This is a legal, live cardroom or casino? Where is it?

$1/drink
$1-5 for food depending on presentation and my perception of complexity of the delivery for the server

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08-29-2012 , 05:52 PM

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JayZ

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Originally Posted by Rapini

This is a legal, live cardroom or casino? Where is it?

$1/drink
$1-5 for food depending on presentation and my perception of complexity of the delivery for the server

Well it's one of those casinos on Indian reserves. Playground Poker in Kahnawake to be exact.

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08-29-2012 , 05:57 PM

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$1/drink in a casino, more in a club cause servers don't make nearly as much there ($2-3 for a drink/beer), for a filet mignon (I assume a real thing and not just a steak seared to a crisp) $10 isn't outrageous imo, def wouldn't give less than $5; $3-$5 for a burger/fries depending on the presentation

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08-29-2012 , 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by billybeartku

One time I was playing at the Wynn and this new Asian female dealer sat down, everyone greeted her with "how are you?" and the dealer said "no" with a smile on her face. Table asked her why? The girl dared to say "cuz no tip" and then bunch of the guys on the table threw her 1-3 dollars each. I then obv went to report the lady to the floor and I very much hope that she got suspended or fired or at least got punished. VERY unprofessional. And yes, I'm a fellow asian too but I just can't accept that.

You must be a joy to be around. Four casual words, joking around, that everyone else got a kick out of, cause you to go into an emotional tailspin and attempt to get someone fired from their job after taking time out of your own playing experience to go make complaints. Simply awesome.

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08-30-2012 , 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb

Excusing the cause and defending the effect. It's wrong to have issue with unprofessionalism and it's right to spoil the dealer. Backwards morals. The bias is against players who do not submit to the favoring of a dealer. The result of the bias is mixing up right and wrong.

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08-30-2012 , 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by The Palimax

Perhaps any dealer who thinks they're owed anything more than what I volunteer should wear some sort of scarlet T on their uniform.

Good idea.

And, by the same token, all customers who don't tip should wear a large button proclaiming "I don't tip, ever.".

After all, fair is fair, right?

(In fact, I'm curious why all the anti-tippers here aren't doing that already. Unless it's to freeload and get extra service that you otherwise wouldn't get.)

q/q

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08-30-2012 , 08:09 AM

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Fair is fair, agreed. Sometimes it's better to be all inclusive instead of one sided to validate the point. As a customer who doesn't tip (circumstantially), I kind of like that idea. I would need several buttons though so I could alternate them depending on the situations:

"I tip fine dealers"
"I don't tip lackadaisical dealers"
"Tip hustling = No tip"
"I'm not tipping today because I'm using the difference to cover my button expenses"

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08-30-2012 , 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb

dealer's job is to simply to deal as fast as possible and keep the game going smooth. when someone ask you how you're doing, just say i'm good and move on. Not some angle shooting answer like "no good because no tips" trying to make players on the table feel guilty and then get more money that way.

If anyone doing his job (whatever that may be) unprofessionally, as a customer, i have every f'in right to report to the management and I feel pretty good about it.

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08-30-2012 , 08:31 AM

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Rapini

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Originally Posted by QuadsOverQuads

Agreed! I tip, as detailed in this thread, but if this became a thing I might switch over and wear the button.

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08-30-2012 , 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by billybeartku

So you want a person to lose their job and financially impact their entire family just because they said they were sad about not getting tipped? I'm all for not giving that dealer any sympathy tips and even tightening up on tipping for pots won but wanting to get them fired is ridiculous.

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08-30-2012 , 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rapini

Agreed! I tip, as detailed in this thread, but if this became a thing I might switch over and wear the button.

anti-tipper being anti-tipper for a reason. only the US have this type of tipping culture, anywhere else in the world doesn't. Most of the world still dont' really grasp the concept of why you can't do your job well w/o getting tipped.

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08-30-2012 , 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BradleyT

okay, wanting them to get fired is probably too harsh, but I'd like their unprofessionalism to get punished, whatever that may be.

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08-30-2012 , 09:00 AM

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There are rules you have to follow as a dealer. You can never talk about your tips or even mention the word tip except for answering a question from a customer. Like, do you pool tips here? Etc.

Breaking this rule can get you written up or fired.

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08-30-2012 , 09:26 AM

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Lester Kluke

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Originally Posted by billybeartku

okay, wanting them to get fired is probably too harsh, but I'd like their unprofessionalism to get punished, whatever that may be.

Of course you don't actually want them fired. The opposition tends to focus on the worst part to make you look like the bad guy instead of absorbing the point you're making. Bottom line is you want the unprofessionalism corrected.

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08-30-2012 , 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by parisron

I wondered about such rules. I asked about a dealer's handbook and if there are tipping guidelines but got no answer. How about this one:

player asks dealer "what should I tip?"
dealer answers player "$1 on medium sized pot"

I would even consider this a tip hustle since it excludes the option of zero. That's why I think it'd be best for a dealer to simply answer "I appreciate any and all tips"

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08-30-2012 , 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lester Kluke

Total nonsense. I'm doing no such thing. It's a pretty simple and reasonable line of thought - not allowing something extremely minor, irrelevant, and non-offensive to completely ruin your day. Do you really feel that being ultra-nitty about the rules is important enough to try and get someone fired over making a two second wisecrack about tips? Was this individual revealing some previously unknown information, that dealers enjoy getting tipped? Is it worth that poster causing a scene with management, cutting into their own experience in the process?

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08-30-2012 , 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lester Kluke

He's the one who voluntarily made that statement, unprompted, in the middle of an extremely over-the-top post. He didn't say 'the bottom line is that I want unprofessionalism corrected", you just said that for him after realizing that multiple people found the I-want-the-dealer-fired line of thought ridiculous.

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08-30-2012 , 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by QuadsOverQuads

And, by the same token, all customers who don't tip should wear a large button proclaiming "I don't tip, ever."

They do. They do it by not tipping. They're already pretty easily identifiable.

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08-30-2012 , 04:08 PM

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I would guess the % of poker players that flat out NEVER tip is probably way less than
1%. Of players that are selective about tipping based on dealer/service/pot size/etc
would be maybe 10% of all players, I fall into this categorie. The other 90% are zombie tippers that just tip no matter how small pot is or how bad dealer is.

Last edited by parisron; 08-30-2012 at 04:38 PM.

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