Are you for real??? You certainly are unique. So all this talk of "would you be happy with a $0 paycheck?", you find correlation between your 2 minute pay period and another's 2 week pay period? In that case, yes, absolutely 100% do I think you should be happy with a $0 two minute paycheck. And if you could take a step back, put your bias aside, and consider with a rational mind when I say why: It is within your paycheck structure to accept an occasional $0 paycheck because that structure allows for the potential of a $1, $5, $10, $25 whatever amount paycheck only two minutes later. Take all of your two minute paychecks, including the $0 ones, and combine these to the equivalent of two weeks and base your happiness on that. And this is not advocating for or against $0 or $25 two minute paychecks.

Which part do you think I don't understand?


You're in a minority, by the way, welcoming the possibility of change.

I have no objection to being tipped in this manner. Although like someone else has stated here, I have never seen this happen so far in my time as a dealer. I also have no objection to being tipped $1 per hand. My only concern would be this: I deal you 4-5 winning hands in my down and you are a "tip at the end" guy. Then on the last hand of my down, you get stacked off by a "tip $1 per hand" guy.

Of course. You do a job and you sign up to be paid every other week; I do a job and sign up to get paid 15-20 times per down. The only difference is the pay period. I do concede that because of the pay period being shorter, I do not go ballistic as I would if my pay period was the same as yours.

The part where you said dealers were "opposed" to something. Must I use the quote feature?

This is wrong in that I don't welcome the possibility of change. I don't see it changing, don't see it possible, certainly not in my lifetime. People have complained about waiters not getting a living wage for decades. That won't change any time soon. Actually, it changed in favor of waters: It used to be 15% was standard; now most people say 20% is.

I would welcome a living wage, but I don't see it changing any time soon.

No. You signed up to effectively be a beggar and get alms 15-20 times per down.

Not one of the people at your table hired you. They are under no obligation to "pay" you. The tip is a gratuity, not a payment for services rendered.

I don't beg for my pay. I provide a sevice.

Yet my casino pays me considerably less than minimum wage. They do this because there is an expectation of tips. Nobody said anyone was obligated to tip me. But if I don't get tipped, it's like I made 0 for my work. And I am allowed to not be happy about it just as anyone who gets paid nothing for their work is allowed to be unhappy about it. That's kind of what instigated this part of the conversation...

What would you expect in a 3/6 limit game played with green or black checks?


Yes, I have been paying attention. Perhaps this will work for you as well.

We are saying if you are concerned about anything other than the action, keeping the pot right and dealing quickly and accurately, then you are not professional. You can think anything you want in the box, but if it's how much you expect to get tipped on this huge pot developing and which of the players in the hand are big tippers and who you hopes wins the pot, then you are unprofessional.

That's not attempting to "control your thoughts" it's just a fact. Be unprofessional - I don't care.

Could you explain why you expect this? If folks are playing with $100 and $500 chips instead of $1 and $5 chips, how is your job harder or deserving of more compensation? The number of chips being pushed around is the same, the hands are the same, reading the board and pushing the pot is the same. So why is dealing one hand of NL100/200 poker worth at least $10-$25 while the same hand of NL1/2 poker is worth $1?

It's not a matter of deserving. It's a matter of expecting. I expect a bigger tip when I push a big pot because that is what my experience has taught what a realistic tip will be. Just like I expect no tip when 3 players limp into a 1/2 pot and check it all the way to the river.

It has been my experience that most dealers are opposed to changing the status quo. Hence, "Dealers, generally..." to start my original statement.

If you think you're part of the majority of dealers who welcome change and that I'm misguided, then we're going to simply have to disagree.

This. I expect larger tips on larger pots because most players tip more for larger pots. I don't think that my expectation I outlined would be out of line with any dealer here and I encourage any of them to let me know if they feel that way.

I realize that many here think that a pot is a pot, but the majority of players do not share this view. And it is the majority of players who make for our expectations, not the outliers.

I think a majority of dealers don't care who pays them as long as they get paid. There might be some dealers who would prefer being tipped because they don't report all of their tips as income so they get more tax-free income than if it was all on a paycheck. However in my room, we have to report all tips (in fact, we turn them in every night, take home half of them and the rest is put on our checks).

I would expect monkeys to fly out of my ass. That is at least as likely as your silly hypothetical.

I can be concerned with a lot of things while dealing. I can be concerned about the score of the game on the TV in front of me, the chance of me being sent home early, the situation in Rwanda, the groceries I told my wife I would pick up after work, the plans to play cards myself soon, how I would never have played that hand the way the idiot in seat 7 just did, how it was really unfortunate that the guy in seat 4 lost because it was a horrific beat, how my son's therapy is not going as well as I would like, and yes, how much I will get tipped when I push someone a huge pot.

I can do all of those things. And you won't know a thing. Because I am good at what I do.

However, for the person who doesn't seem to think he is telling us what we can think, it is rich that you can tell us what we can and cannot be concerned with.

expect:

1. to regard as probable or likely; anticipate: he expects to win
2. to look forward to or be waiting for: we expect good news today
3. to decide that (something) is requisite or necessary; require: the boss expects us to work late today

It might depend on which you mean.

Since we have all gone on record saying we base our expectations on what we usually get, I think every dealer is using the first definition. When we push a big pot, the second definition also comes into play (though one can "expect good news" and not get it, just as we can expect a nice tip and not get it). I don't think anyone is using the third definition at all.

I believe he's comparing a high-stakes LHE game to a low-stakes LHE game, by suggesting that only the colors of the chips change.

3-chip/6-chip, be they white, red, green or black.


Higher stakes games have certain pressures for the dealers - mostly in the form of higher strung players - but should, mechanically, be the same, and by his logic, expect the same tip.


This, of course, is the "lobster dinner should tip the same as a hotdog" argument, which doesn't translate to a game where you just throw a buck no matter what happens...

I'm not sure what question I asked to solicit this response. It's a genuine question. What is so "silly" about asking what you'd expect as a tip in a limit game played with green or black chips.

I would estimate that 90%+ dealer errors post-flop are because the dealer isn't focused on the game. If you're focused on who wins and what you expect as a tip, then you increase the chances of making an error. In that regard, yes, I'd prefer you keep your mind on the task as much as possible.

Except when you push a $1000 pot and get $0. Then you think the winner is a stiff, a freeloader, a cheapskate, a life nit, etc. Then you are using the third definition.

How can we have an expectation for something that already happened?

Then it's not a 3/6 game. He exactly said play 3/6 with high denomination chips. It was a stupid way to make his argument.

As has already been said repeatedly: Our expectations are based on what we usually get. Not the high end of what we usually get. Not some pipe dream of what we would like to get.

I will repeat this and bold it:

We base our expectations on what most players tip. Most players tip more for larger pots. Therefore the expectation to receive a higher tip on a large pot is not unfounded; it is, in fact, perfectly reasonable.

You didn't say "a limit game." You said "A 3/6 game."

Arrogance that you can tell people how to do their job, noted.

Players make far more mistakes than dealers do (acting out of turn, not making their intentions verbalized and clear, having conversations which slow down the game, flipping cards by accident, talking too much in multi-player pots... I can list a million things here.) So what?

People make mistakes regardless of how much attention they are paying to anything. It is arrogant and presumptuous of you to demand no mistakes are made and conclude as to why most mistakes are made.

Here's the quote:

You can click on the mark that takes you to the post so you can reread it again yourself.

Arrogance? You are the one that keeps saying we pay your wage. Well, do your job correctly if you expect compensation from us.

Why, so I can see that you added 3/6, a very specific thing, to your post? Why did you add 3/6 exactly?