No one is forcing you to dish out anything just like no one is forcing you to play poker. I'm not forced to deal poker but I do because I like it. Just like you like playing. If I'm overpaid in your opinion it means nothing to me. Just like earlier in this thread your a stranger. I can care less if you go broke playing because just yesterday a kid turned 21 to take your place... You guys like to break numbers down so here you go. Your 400 u dish out in tips equals about $2 per dealer a month.

This post beautifully encapsulates exactly why many of us are reconsidering our policy.

As for chopped pots no I don't expect a tip. In any game I just used split pots as an example because ther are so many on that game. My comments are what I get on average not what I deserve,expect,or entitled to since that's what you say about dealers. I'm not attacking anyone but when you tell me I make too much money I have to laugh because I'm currently looking for a second job.

That's fine but don't cry on 2+2 when someone calls you cheap and if you get all poker players on board with that I will choose a different career.

Which policy will that be?

A policy that may have once yielded $X in tips from player to dealer to one that yields < $X.

Giving a tip back to a player can result in warnings, writeups, or even suspension of the dealer. We had a player throw back a $1 tip to a player on a large pot in my room. The player was insulted (rightfully so) and complained to a supervisor. The dealer was suspended from working for a week.

I've received tips for split pots, for side pots, and for making a player laugh. At 2-5 games where white chips don't play, I've dealt a river card that made a player lose an all-in against a one-outer. The losing player tossed me his remaining white chips and left the room.

Why in the world would I refuse a tip for pushing a pot to a player who won the hand? Even if he didn't make any money, or made just a couple bucks, if someone wants to give me a tip, the only choice I have is to graciously accept it and to thank the player. This isn't even about me being greedy or entitled. It's about acting behaving professionally and nothing else.

Just for clarification, are you talking about split pot games like O-8 or are you talking about a chopped pot in hold'em? If it's the O-8 scenario and both players won money, then I would expect two tokes, just as I would expect one toke for pushing a pot in hold'em. Please don't read this to be me saying I'm entitled to a tip or I deserve a tip. What I am saying is that my experience has led me to believe that I will more often than not get two tips in this situation. I think the whole topic of "deserving" has been beat into the ground and I have nothing to add that I haven't previously stated ITT.

If it's a chopped pot in hold'em, I wouldn't expect anything, no matter how big the pot is. I've received no tip, one tip, and two tips several times in this situation. There's no standard custom that the players adhere to.

if I'm involved in a chop pot in holdem I am always throwing the dealer a buck. Just because of the extra time It takes to split the pot up.

But then again I'm a dealer so I tend to tip more than most.

Fair enough.

By the same token, I used to have a policy of dealing 20+ hands-per-down, even though most employers require only 15-16 hands-per-down.

Like you, I too have reconsidered my policy, and I now base my service on my rate of compensation.

So now, a policy that may have once yielded 22 hands-per-down now yields only 16, and your hourly winrate is reduced accordingly.


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Yes. Start dealing fewer hands per down tomorrow.

Seems like if you're making less in tips, dealing more hands per down is the only way for your hourly to go up.

No need for the bold - we've already covered that dealers expect and not deserve a certain dollar amount. When they don't get what they expected and are upset, it's not because they feel they deserve what they expected but that they should get what they expected because that's what's customary.

Do I have that correct?

I'll just clarify that when a dealer threw back a toke to me, it wasn't because he was insulted by the tip; it was because he felt the pot didn't warrant the tip. The dealer above should have been fired, not suspended.

I'm going to assume you're being sarcastic when you say he should have been fired for that.

I've had that happen to me on the tables. I play in a room where all of the dealers know me and know that I'm a dealer. Many of the dealers there play where I work. Accordingly we overtip each other when we play. There have been instances where I've tipped $3 on an $11 pot, in which I invested $6. The dealer tossed me back my tip in a manner to suggest that he appreciated the gesture but that I was really giving too much for that situation (even though that same dealer has given me very large tips on large pots when I've dealt him a winner).

I've brought this up in the breakroom at work and it's been pointed out to me that it's a foolish precedent to do this when you're working. Another player at the table may not have been paying attention to the size of the pot and only see a dealer rejecting a tip for whatever reason. Maybe the noob in seat 3 would conclude that this dealer doesn't really want to get tipped.

More specifically to your scenario, I've never thought about refusing a tip on a chopped pot or split pot.

I'm not sure what you're misunderstanding.

The dealer tossed me my toke back in a non-split game, non-chopped pot, but it wasn't because he was insulted by the tip size.

The situation you brought up was a dealer throwing a customer back his $1 tip in a LARGE pot (your words, emphasis mine), so obviously this was because the dealer was insulted at the gesture of such a small tip and threw the tip back to the player to make his feelings known.

That's 100% different than a dealer tossing back tokes because they think you're being too generous. Can you really not see the difference between that and the dealers you know tossing your tokes back to you because they are being friendly?

Yes, he certainly should have been fired. How you can think he shouldn't is beyond me. Most people are there to play and have fun, and a dealer insinuating a player is cheap by refusing his toke because he didn't get the tip he "expected" is poor customer service, grossly unprofessional and subtracts from the player's overall gaming experience. If this happened in a pit game where the casino earns significantly more, you'd better believe he would be out on his ass.

A self sabotage approach. It's a shame some dealers hurt their own cause when they respond to those who take a stance on tipping.

Cutting off your nose to spite your face, I see.

He was referring to the dealer who rejected the small tip, not the one who felt the pot was too small.

It's also a shame that certain players have the need to hold a dollar over someone's head. If you don't agree with me I won't give you this dollar.. that's a great approach to the subject huh. I for one won't be held to your all mighty dollar like I said before one player is a fraction of my pay. I get stiffed several times a night but I still go home happy every night. But keep on fighting the fight I'm sure your only 10-20 years away from the "stop tipping revolution" lol.

Give it a rest. You give dealers a terrible reputation.

No one is "holding a dollar over your head" because you don't agree with them. However, your attitude is possibly leading people (www = world wide web) to believe that all dealers are entitled, self-centered ingrates and most just hide it better than others.

I bet you're prince charming in the box though, but I applaud and appreciate your candor here.

The real shame is certain dealers think it's a fight against tipping. It's really a matter of stop trying to convince or dupe players who do tip into tipping more. We play our part and have a place in the tipping ecosystem. This is the system that still allows you to go home happy every night. If I'm pressured to give more, ultimately I'll be inclined to give less. It seems the dealers' viewpoint is I'd only be serving my self interests if I say I'll reduce tips. What goes over your head is when I explain why, it is a way that could serve the interests of a dealer. If you'd simply say "I appreciate tips", I would not reduce tips. But when you say "Jane tips $10" or "A waitress gets 20%", I will reduce tips. Get it? I genuinely hope so.

Lester a dollar a hand is all I ask for. That's the initiative to deal faster and make more money. Any numbers I gave in this thread was either what I normally get or its my opinion. If what I normally get is wrong then why ask the dealers, ask the people that tip that way. Now I have gotten tips I feel I did not deserve but I can't refuse them because that may offend you in my employers eyes. But what I have read here the people that over tip offends people also.
Zero, I'm being sarcastic don't take it so hard.

I don't think over tips offend anyone. Actually, I'm very much in favor of them. Of course, I will never be one to do so. I do see big tips as part of the tipping ecosystem. They contribute the the balance just as small tips do. What could be offensive, is when asked how much to tip, providing examples of high water mark tips without also including low water marks. This is manipulative and that's a cause for me to declare a tip reduction. What is absolutely offensive is the very few instances where dealers suggested if you don't tip enough or what they might expect then the tipper is the bad guy.

It may not offend you but I think it irritates people because that's money off the game. The same reason some players complain about the rake. I personally don't look at $1 a hand no matter pot size people bad guys. But I do feel that way on $0 tippers. The reason for that is I also play. (before I dealt also) When someone dosnt tip they take a stand that its okay that other players pay the dealer. They are free loading off the other players. That's my thoughts on $0 tippers not $1 on a 100k. Do you agree?

Not entirely. If that's the stand they choose to take they have every right. Still falls within the balance of the system.