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Originally Posted by Pokerhauntus
Copying this from my reddit comment
Dealer's perspective here:
1/2 live is not beatable for a living wage. Yes there are some great spots where people are giving away the farm but not 40 hours/week's worth. I personally ONLY have sympathy for non-tippers who are genuinely trying to make a go of it as a professional. I certainly don't expect a tip in a $15 pot. But it's definitely annoying to push a 40BB pot at any stake without a tip.
A great way for players to help dealers out financially is to 3bet and 4bet the correct amount at low stakes. If it folds to the button, they raise and you look down at KQo in the small blind, how many of you are 3betting? If 6 loose-passive players limp and you look down at tens in the big blind, how many of you are making it 10-12BBs? It's pretty tilting to watch people misplay by playing too passively because it leads to smaller pots.
Honestly I think a large part of the reason some people never tip is an indigence/envy that dealers make as much as people think they do. It's easy to think "These guys are clearing $50/hour without a college degree? **** that, they'll be fine without my tips." Dealers are only at a table for 1/2-2/3 of their shift. You can't look at a dealer making $15/down and think "oh that's $40 an hour" because it's really not. Dealers have to subsidize their own benefits and their paid time off is for minimum wage. These differences make the financial outlook for dealers significantly bleaker than a standard 50-60k/year job.
Ultimately, dealing would be a very cushy job if every player tipped $1/hand and nobody was an ******* at the table. But this isn't how things are. I understand that it's frustrating for the onus to be on reasonable people to be a compensating differential for all the tightwads and drunk idiots at the table. If people want fast, personable, qualified dealers, the majority of players have to be tipping. And just recognize that if you aren't tipping, you're in the minority.
are you seriously complaining about how people play their hands with their money? you have a lot of nerve.
and everyone knows 1/2 nl is the best game for tips long term. specifically because there are way less pros and people aren't thinking about ev, hence playing their hands poorly. if these people were better poker players they'd also realize they should tip entitled dealers (note not all dealers) like you a lot less.
and stop whining about maybe getting stiffed on bbj. you're the type that would cry about a 500 dollar tip if someone hit a big BBJ thinking you're entitled to high 4 or low 5 figures for pushing pieces of cardboard and getting an hour or two off while waiting for paperwork to be filled out. get real.
We both know dealers get MASSIVELY overtipped almost every time on these forced lotteries. Even if they do make the games better (often not the case) that has nothing to do with you being owed anything. These better games already lead to bigger pots and more tables following your logic so you're already making more money because of them.