I'm guessing in random home cash games you're playing with people who you are friendly with on a social basis and/or don't expect too much because they're not paying for your services.

I could get by with doing most of those things incorrectly in the DT, but you aren't getting by at a poker table doing things wrong. OK, so you might get away with turning the deck upside down or not shuffling correctly, but that's about it. At the DT as long as I push the right buttons, their order should be correct and the total/change will be correct. What else really matters? We were talking about being good enough to get by, not be mistake free.

Suit,

I do find it kinda amusing that casino employees are doing exactly the same re: fast food employees that they hate poker players doing re: casino jobs.

Somewhat funny. Field test it.

If training dealers were easy, I wouldn’t hate the way about half of them run a game. I guess my experience at the drive through hasn’t been much better. So either both jobs are hard to train, or they both hire mostly idiots.

Or people smart enough to do other things often do becasue they can make more money and dont have to put up with whiney aholes nearly as much.

"I have never done X nor spent much time thinking about it, but I definitely know more about it than you" sums up many internet arguments. I'm finding this one quite amusing myself.

It's probably not too hard to get by when dealing to well-behaved players. Add in one idiot or *******, and I assume it gets much harder. Adding another bad actor probably increases the difficulty exponentially.

Having seen so many arguments at the poker table, I think that many poker players would be disasters as dealers because they would have to understand and implement rules that they think are bad when they are on the other side of the felt, if they even know what the rule is despite playing every weekend.

Helpful players can be worse. Grabbing their bet and flinging it into the pot after I've already reached over to pull it in, yelling the answers to math problems I'm working on (doesn't matter if you're right, I still need to come up with the number myself and you've just made it harder), making change for their neighbor's oversize chip bet after I've already gotten the correct change ready, blurting out their guess of an all in size on the other side of the table, the list goes on.

Putting their bet on top of the Button, I am sure you love also. lol

Can't leave out the dickheads who whip their cards into the board when they fold or those special turds who "fold" their hand two inches in front of them in order to inconvenience the dealer as much as possible. I used to stand up and get their hand but now I just sit and wait for them to fold like an adult. Eventually a player or two will get on the turd about their behavior because they're sick of him slowing the game down.

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My idea of being a helpful player is trying to put my bets and mucked cards where the dealer can easily reach without causing back strain or making sure my neighbor is aware that action is on him or that he needs to post blinds so that the dealer doesn't have to prompt him for the 20th time.

That's perfect. Just pick a spot between you and the center of the table, put your bets there and let me do the rest.

Didn't mean to derail the thread!

Drive Thru ... One Window (sometimes two) ... One vehicle, one order

Poker Table ... One Dealer ... One Player ... 8 assistants, some of whom are complaining that said Player is getting more fries than they are! GL

I'm indifferent to this. Unless you're sitting in seat 2, 3, or 4. Then it's pretty annoying.

“I could deal poker because I’ve played poker for 20 years” is no different than “I could be a chef because I’ve eaten at 5 star restaurants for 20 years”.

Sure, you might know what good food is, but that doesn’t mean you could cook it.

I don't disagree with your general point, but my educated guess is that many people posting here have dealt poker before. And certainly more of them have dealt poker than have cooked in a restaurant of any kind or cooked anything that could pass for a meal in a "5 star restaurant[]."

I personally never have dealt in a professional setting and I don't think I know anywhere near enough to not get fired if you threw me into the box right now. But I do think that with minimal training (probably one to two weeks) and a LOT of practice (probably three months) I could be an average dealer, and certainly better than the worst at my local room. (I say that as a reference point for doing a good enough job not to get fired.) I don't think the same applies for a higher-end chef, but I do think the same applies for fast food "cook," drive-thru cashier, etc.

All that to say you're comparing apples and oranges.

If you watched a "5 star" chef for 40 hours a week for 20 years you could definitely cook up some fantastic stuff assuming you're not a complete idiot.

And really if we're comparing a chef to the average dealer rather than the best of the best, it would be more like a line cook at a mid-range restaurant.

Anyone who plays poker already knows how poker works, check, bet, call, hand rankings, each street, etc. If you have that down, all the other stuff (pitch, chip handling, raking the pot, making change, etc.) will come with time and practice.

My training was essentially "okay let's take turns dealing to each other and play a game of poker", hardest part for me personally was feeling comfortable with the pitch, but I never flipped cards outside of a few a night.

I feel pretty confident that you if you take any able-bodied poker player who passed 3rd grade math, you will be able to turn them into a passable dealer after just one day of training.

Bad choice of the bolded word. Definitely not any. Certainly some, but absolutely not any.

The period to train someone to pitch cards is at most a week and there is zero talent required.

Back to the point, tipping in poker is a huge scam unless the dealer is providing an exceptional service to you. Examples include really hustling to get hands out quick, dealing you in when they see you coming back to the table, stopping angles aggresively such as betting out of turn or preventing players from folding out of turn, contributing to a fun and relaxed table culture that keeps fish around and comfortable, etc etc. For all of those awesome things I happily toss the dealer a buck win or lose. Sometimes two for a big pot. That’s enough from someone trying to make money in a very very heavily raked game where actual hourly win rates aren’t that high. Unfortunately most dealers don’t see that perspective or appreciate he effects and expense of rake of course but I am always genuinely polite and appreciative when I do tip. And that is valued too.

People work way harder at fast food restaurants, Starbucks, retail any real job really, for much less money than dealing in a casino. The market is what it is and someone else can replace the dealer if they don’t find the tips they are making sufficient.

Waiters at restaurants also earn tips by providing exceptional services, like keeping your water full, making sure your food doesn’t sit in the kitchen, having a nice conversation with you to help you relax etc. To me tipping makes sense to compensate for these things. But if a dealer doesn’t go above and beyond don’t feel socially obligated to tip. That’s my message to everyone here. Red bird tokes are nice but they really add up and the few LLSNL players that are winning are winning something like $10 an hour when it’s all said and done. Even for the very best players it still really cuts into a live win rate.

Lastly **** entitled dealers who **** with the box and waste everyon ‘s time getting settled in or prioritize their socializing with players over active dealing. And then who entitledly expect and receive free money from people who are socially obligated to give it.

Where in Europe do you live?

"...or prioritize their socializing with players over active dealing..."

I am starting to see this more and more where I play when in Vegas.

Doesn't truly affect my mindset - but it appears that the out-of-towners don't appreciate the exclusionary vibe it projects to those not a part of the dealer's "inner circle" of regulars with whom those social discussions are held.

And now and then, the dealer's inattention on the other side of the table affects the action or the course of the street being played.

What these dealers don't "get" is that neither I or the out-of-towners like it, and it adversely affects our decision whether or not to tip.

whats rude is when riding home in the cab tonight, 3 young drunken employees of a bar i play poker at here in town, one girl who serves drinks noticed i didnt tip the cab driver and she shouldnt even be paying attention to how much i give him, and its none of her business. and no i dont always give her $1 for water but do occasionally. i hate the way this room dont serve bottled water like the other rooms do and im not paying $1 for every tiny bit of tap water. but she started making rude comments and the cab driver didnt tell her not to.

it cost me $600 a month for rent here and $7 twice a day for cab service here. (too small to have lfyt and uber, and remember if they did u save nothing because of the minimum). and the average wage here is less than most places so if u earn $25,000 a year here its like earning $35,000 other places. prices are less here to live too so its not a bad deal for the workers. $14 times 30 is $420 a month am i supposed to pay $600 a month and spend as much on cab fare as housing just to satisfy some drunken girl who got into a snowball fight in the cab?

when people speak up about tips, it doesnt cause them to tip more. but what it does cause is make them no longer feel bad about not being rich enough to give as much as other people do. it makes u feel like theyre all jerks because theyre rich enough to afford it because they get tips themselves and u dont, so because u dont get tips u cant afford to give tips back out.

tipping the dealers is expensive enough, i probably spent over $50 in tips this week out of the measly $170 total ive won since Jan 1. Jesus Christ, how much more do they expect? there are way way too many jobs nowdays that u are supposed to tip

Grumpy bastards who don't want us talking in the box tend to be rocks who barely play any hands and barely tip when they do and their aces hold up. The chatty regs tip 2+ per hand and throw us more when we leave the table if we were nice to them during the down. Who do you think I am going to be more attentive to?

Tourists tend to like a talkative table.