I witnessed my regular dealers cheat today. They gave a dealer who was playing at the time a high hand promo even though there was no turn or river ( he rabbit hunted for a runner runner royal) snitches get stitches but im not tipping anymore.

The promo has been going on for a total of 4 days until they showed this lack of integrity, I can only imagine that they have been cheating prior since these are supposed to be some of the best dealers in the room. Management is nonexistent at the charity.

I already saved 7 bucks and am gonna average saving over 50 per day, I tend to push action and win alot of small pots that I used to feel obligated to tip.

On a side note- a 40k bbj got hit at the local casino- the dealers got a 1 dollar tip from the main winner.

Did you report this? Is this a legal/regulated room? If this is something management allows I GUARANTEE this is the least of your worries. We used to run games where rake was believed by the players to be 10% $5 per hand max (no signs posted, questionably legal) where the true rake was 'as much as you can get away with before getting caught ' if you got you apologized and went legit until you felt you could get away with it again. In reality we knew who the players who would notice (and they had a scale, a couple bucks not a big deal most of the time) and would adjust accordingly. Not proud of it, but it was what it was. These games ran much faster and had far fewer floor calls but I can't say that compared to today's transparency that's a big benefit.

There is a reason (to protect the integrity of the game) that good procedures should be implemented and followed.

This doesnt make any sense. How did no one at the table say anything? Is this a legit room? You mention charity - is this a charity room in N.H.? Not sure of what other states have charity rooms besides Michigan, but MI rooms can not have jackpots..

Yep ... some Michigan issues here ... could be fine elsewhere ...

1) Dealers can't play in a room where they deal. Unless by some miracle that they were left off the Supplier "approved" dealer list for that day.
2) Charity workers can't play in a room where their charity has a license in progress ... on the same day they work the room. Only on days they don't work the room.

3) No promos are allowed to be run by the charity.
4) Don't fathom how the players at the table even 'allowed' this to happen with or without management. GL

I stayed quiet because I didnt wanna be the only one saying anything. The promos are run horribly, the money goes away without being distributed, half the dealers dont even know when to take the drop and have been taking it early. Im just gonna stay quiet and save tips.
I play here because I make money.

Staying quiet may make matters much worse for you as things like this that are allowed to continue can kill a room for good. Are you saying management knew about it?

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I think he's saying that his earn in the game is more important to him than the integrity of the game.

Thats painfully obvious, however, keeping quiet may lead to no game at all, then where are you?

So the reality is what? I'm confused.

Your goal is noble but in my opinion you're wasting your time. That guy just wanted to make an anti-dealer rant and didn't expect his lack of integrity to be challenged.

Im not getting 2 people fired over 50 bucks that wasnt mine anyways. But they will soon learn it costs them more than 50.

Oh, I thought you were scared they were going to kick the ever loving **** out of you with the original "snitches get stitches" reason for why you kept your mouth shut.

Did you actually tell the dealers that you stopped tipping them because of this incident, or do you just expect them to make that connection without any input from you? If you never confront them, it's likely they will just think you decided to become a stiff to improve your winrate rather than that you are administering justice to them in your own way.

Expanding on this idea: when rake goes up and you decide your game (hello higher limit players) should stop tipping you aren't sending the message that the rake is too high to dealers (who have no control over the rake).

I can't in my wildest dreams imagine not saying anything after witnessing two dealers steal from player funds. You can tell someone and reduce your tokes. It's not one or the other.

Yeah I'd happily do both in this situation lol

Its just so awkward, its the wild west. I made a stink a month ago when a dealer suggested rabbit hunting and immediately put cards out when I didnt want it done. I talked to floor on the side about that and now the dealers were instructed no rabbit hunt. Then I got called out by regs as making a new rule, they like hunting. Im ok with it as long as I didnt win and the loser is asking without my permission.

Now during this hand they not only rabbit hunted but took down a promo. My head was spinning. I did say "NO, theres no turn or river" but I seemed ignored by the rest of the table and took the easy path by shutting up.
Today I accidentally tipped the dealer, she saw me mention something to the player next to me and asked what I said. I repeated what I said- "oops im not supposed to tip that dealer anymore" she returned my dollar, and she knows why.

If theres any true resolution it will be through a gaming commission employee and not with the house.

Let me guess: you're not willing to contact the gaming commission because [excuses].

OP, so did you ever even mention that this occurred to the floor, or you just assumed they wouldn't do anything about it? And if all you said at the table was that single comment, why do you assume the dealer knows why you aren't tipping her? But the main thing is that if you consider this event so minor that it is not worth taking some verbal heat from the regs, or telling the floor, or telling the gaming commission, why do you think it is so serious that you should punish the dealer for potentially hundreds of dollars? Seems like a stretch to me.

When you boil it all away, it seems like you are using an incident that you didn't like to stiff the dealer forever, so that you feel like you are getting back at the room, but you don't have the balls to even inform the room that there was a problem. And you listed a bunch of other things wrong with the room, but said you still play there to make money. Your solution does nothing to actually solve the problem, but conveniently saves you money. It really just comes off as one more lame justification players use to stiff dealers and keep the money. As you said earlier, you weren't affected by the dealer's action at all.

This - how do they know why you are stiffing them? Was this dealer you 'accidentally tipped' the one involved?

Agree seems like you are using it as an excuse, or you are afraid to say anything, either way you are no better than them because you are also screwing the other players, and now the dealers.

Still find this a little hard to believe, as no other player said anything, I wonder if this story is even true.

On a strange side note, while I assume it's not the case at the OP's room, when I first started playing at the Tampa Hard Rock in 2005 (back when the law only allowed very low limit, limit poker) they paid for all royals. And if the hand ended on the flop or turn, but you still had a chance to hit a royal, dealers ran out the rest of the board. It was the room policy, so usually dealers would ask you before mucking the board if you had any of the royal cards in your hand.

They stopped doing it about a year later, I think because they thought it was a huge waste of time to run out all those hands. So strange as it seems, there was at least one room where running out a board for a royal was actually part of the promo. But I'm sure that wasn't the case with the OP, as it would have been happening all the time.

Plot twist: OP starts fake topic in thread on 2+2 to justify no longer tipping. If asked why he's not tipping, he directs people to the thread to validate it. OP makes an extra $50/day for 10 minutes of work on the internet. (All stories in this post are fictitious. Any similarities to actual people and/or events are strictly coincidental.)

Maybe this IS the case and OP doesnt know it. Only thing that makes sense as no one else at table said anything at all and they ignored his initial attempt to stop it. This is how some of the underground games do it here, just because they only run 1 or 2 days a week with limited tables.

Do the other players still tip the dealers, those that were at the table and watched it happen? Do they just not care?

Or I guess it just could be a room where no one cares about anything- players, dealers, staff, charity. Anything is possible I guess.

this is a tipping thread, I never said i am not tipping anymore, im making it clear why im not tipping to the 2 dealers involved, they are screwed because they are in the wrong. They dont do this crap often or they couldve been more discrete. I kinda like them so dont want them fired.
I went to the other place and Crushed it. 1200 profit at 1/2 in 8 hours, I tipped a bunch.
I did say rabbit hunting isnt allowed,let alone winning a promo with no opponent. I just saw oil rigs post= nope.

This is a tipping thread, its gone off topic- I was tipping like crazy today though.

So, you're saving $50/day just from not tipping these two dealers, huh?