Live 1.2 It gets allin. My AQ vs QJ 90$ pot....dealer accidently deals 4 cards on flop, there was confusion on which was the burn card or whatever, floor is called and decides its a misdeal and we both take our stacks back.

Terrible, nonstandard ruling.

Because noone knows what the suspected burn card acutally is, it means that the card is unknown and random -- it remains the burn card.

The correct, standard solution, is to take the 4-card flop and turn all of the cards face down. They then get mixed up and shuffled, and then three cards are randomly picked. Those 3 cards are now your flop. The unpicked, remaining 4th card, becomes the burn card for the turn.

This is done because it is generally accepted that 2 or more exposed cards result in a misdeal. With this solution, the only exposed cards (1 card) would be the new river burn.

Agree with salt, except the last part - a misdeal only happens if two or more cards are exposed ON THE DEAL. Once there is action, no more misdeal, no matter how many cards get exposed.

Dinesh is right, when it comes to the dealer exposing cards to result in a 'misdeal'. I mistakenly used the term 'misdeal' as an umbrella term. However, that is not the only way to prematurely have a hand get put to an end.

If a player were to grab the deck and spread it face up across the table, technically it would not be a "misdeal" as implied inherently by the term, but it would constitute a voided hand.

Another scenario would be where, heads up, one player turns over the other player's cards. That player's hand is killed and the hand is now over.

Agreed. You can void a hand and return all monies to their previous owners and replay the hand with same blind positions at any point up until the next hand starts. You can also kill player hands outright, or otherwise use rule 1 to make rulings not in line with the traditional rulings, if warranted.

Having said that, the circumstances in which you would do something like voiding a hand or killing one of two hands when heads up like that are much, much more stringent. I'd guess you would void a hand 100 or 1000 time less often than you might declare a misdeal, and only for an extreme breach of rules, dealer ****up, or other circumstance not contemplated in the ruleset. As we both agree, dealing a 4 card flop is certainly not one of them, and I would add nor is having more than 2 cards exposed. Prematurely exposing the entire stub is maybe the point where I would start to consider it.

2 possible rulings in this situation.

1. If the dealer knows for sure in what order the cards came out, you can specify the correct card that is the "4th" card, and that is now the turn burn. Normally that ends up being the far left card with a right-handed dealer.

2. If no one has any idea which card was extra, you can use the solution that Cup gave above.

I've done both and it's normally a non-issue.

That’s probably room dependent. I’ve seen that happen without killing/voiding a hand.

Really? Can’t imagine how anyone could think anything other than killing the offenders hand would be appropriate.

However, by TDA rules, if you touch another player’s cards, your hand is automatically dead.

If it's at showdown I don't see why the hand should be dead. Before showdown his hand has to be killed because he can't be allowed to get a strategic advantage for the hand. If this happens at showdown he should still get a harsh penalty, but I don't think the hand should be killed.

OP basically got the correct answer in the first 2 posts by CoS and dinesh. Terrible ruling.




Little off the topic here.

I would say nope. I say flip me back over quickly do a wash, shuffle and continue. If done quick extremely few folks could capture and process all the information.

Definitely agree 3 xposwd cards not a void or misdeal after a shove and call. Would be dire to void at that point.

I have a hatred towards option #1. If the dealer was really 100% sure, they wouldn’t have brought the 4-card flop in the first place. It’s possible two cards stuck together so you can’t just assume the dealer put down four cards on at a time.

I’ve seen some rooms where they re-shuffle into the stub and bring a new flop. Seems to being getting phased out with the ‘mix em up and pick the burn’ ruling.