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Originally Posted by answer20
I tend to think that there's a difference between dumb and stupid. With dumb being an incapacity to learn and stupid leaning towards 'knowing better' but doing something anyway.
Any 'rule' should be in place for the (perceived) betterment of the room as a whole in the management's opinion. I tend to believe that some rules are good for certain size rooms and not so good for other size rooms as well as the REQUIREMENT of considering the mentality/make-up of the clients .. no matter the business.
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Every cardroom is unique. So, what might be right for most cardrooms can be wrong for a specific one. However, the chapter on the must-move rule is 1,400 words meaning that there is a lot these with specific explanations.
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This new book is obviously an opinion piece .. and IMO there's nothing worse than coming right out and telling 'a lot' of your potential customers that they're stupid. I don't have any idea how much behind the scenes number crunching /evaluating MM has done and I'm not suggesting that I know any better, but .. (Where I come from)
A lot of the book is actually based on statistical theory even though statistical explanations are not part of the book. This means that while there is much opinion in the book, a lot of it has very strong mathematical support and will be difficult for anyone to debate.
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1) A MM table 'can' be a table that otherwise wouldn't even be open, thus both generating rake and shortening or eliminating the list.
I can't imagine when this statement would be true in an otherwise well-run poker room.
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2) How is seating a Player 'temporarily' at a table with shorter stacks akin to sending a sheep to shear? While the MM 'order' is a list unto it's self, there will be the return of a 'list' of table change requests once we clear CV status.
Obviously this comes from a 'chapter' so there's bound to be a more in depth breakdown of the opening comment. But in all my experience in poker I've yet to see the points made above tied to the must move philosophy.
There's nothing like this in the book.
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One thing about the MM list that I would've implemented in 'my' room .. and I don't really care if Mason mentions it in his opinion piece .. is that I would make it an 'ask' list, not a 'must' list. I would ask in the order Players were seated if they want to move to the 'main' game and then the first 'yes' would move. Only if I get all 'negative' responses would I force the Player at the top of the list to move. When I've discussed this with some other Players they felt that it should be the last Player sat to 'must' move and while I don't necessarily disagree I feel that this type of action would/could be sending a sheep to shear since they wouldn't have had time to build up a stack before jumping into a 'perceived' deeper stack main game.
Years ago I used to see this done. But not anymore. However, nothing like this is mentioned in the book.
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Back to my opinion here .. I put a lot of effort into trying to explain to my girls (or anyone really) that, especially in todays FB/text world, that you need to be very careful in your use of words. At this point in their life it mainly pertains to the word 'gross' and food. Like 'Fish is gross', well you could be talking to (or within earshot) of someone who loves fish .. and now you've just potentially created a negative opinion of yourself with really no harm intended. Simply saying 'I don't have the taste for fish' implies while fish is not at the top of your list, it doesn't potentially degrade someone who does have it high on theirs.
Again, for me, stupid is a word that needs to have 'back up' .. facts or a law/rule .. in place to be applied, not just disagreement or difference of opinion. It'll be interesting to see if this chapter has any meat to it, or is just one more (of the same already heard many a time before) opinions .. at least it will be in print! GL
Okay.
Best wishes,
Mason
PS .. I've stated before that a casino in my region (Poto in Milwaukee) doesn't use a MM table, but it 'protects' a new table by not allowing Players from any other table moving to it for at least an hour upon opening. Players at a new table can move out, but only Players from the list can sit down until that first hour is over.[/QUOTE]