$1/2 NL at Luxor. basically it's heads up, ep started hand with something over $120 or so, I have $600 or so. We see a flop of T78, ep bets $40, I say all-in, ep calls by splashing his chips into the other $40 he had out there. I flopped nut straight, ep doesn't expose cards, dealer finishes dealing the board xJ. Ep ho-hums around flipping his cards in disgust and dealer starts pushing pot to me. EP then says, wait I have same straight and shows a 9 to split the pot.

Dealer drags pot back in and splits it up and gives us the two stacks. Dealer's down is over and new dealer comes in. Next hand is dealt and then the ep (who is sitting directly on my right) says, "something isn't right here, I should have another $80, started that hand with $x." I was a little buzzed and wasn't paying a whole lot of attention to his stack after flopping the nuts and easily having him covered. There were a couple of players in the hand preflop and we all called a raise, so I knew we should have each made $10 or so.

We're talking about it and then realized that when I said all in and ep called, I showed and dealer told me not to worry about counting it out yet. The dealer then split the pot that I hadn't contributed to post flop.

So we knew what had happened, but no one knew how much ep had in front of him. They tried to tell me to start to just give him $90 because that's what he said he was short. I refused, asked to have proof that was what he was short. They go on back and forth for a good 30 min and it actually cost the EP more money because he got all in vs a guy that had him covered and won, so he could have won the additional money he was owed too. He even asked that the hand be stopped and he be allowed to have behind him what he was owed before the hand started.

Eventually they came back said security determined I owed him $74. I expressed how much I thought it was bull**** that I had to take money from my stack to pay for their error, but I did it anyway knowing that I did get awarded more than I was supposed to have. If I wasn't up $500 or so I'm sure I probably would have fought it a little harder.

I know I did the "ethical" thing, but was I an idiot for doing it?

go away

No.

Though I'll probably be a minority opinion.

tl;dr

take this trash to B+M forum

You did the 'ethical' thing by bitching about it on a forum and only doing it if you're not stuck?

Bravo sir.

wait you wanted to keep money that wasnt yours???

thats liek finding 20 dollars on the ground and some guy saying that he dropped it. So they go to video and see he did indeed dropped it and it was his and you saying well you dropped it so its mine now.

You are a dick.

You were up 500 bucks (which shouldn't matter, you should have given him the money if you were down 1,000 dollars), knew a mistake happened in your favor, then complained you had to pay it back?

lol.

Let me ask you a question, if a blackjack dealer accidentally paid you 200 instead of 100, then said "I'm sorry sir, I overpaid you, please hand back the 100", would you argue on the basis that you are paying for their error?


lol

ban.

Since you believe you did the correct thing ethically, what is there to discuss. You did the right thing.

Supose it had been you who put money into the pot and got short changed when the pot was split as you described in your post.

Would you want the other player to do the ethical thing, despite whether he was up or stuck?

LOL. I see you posted this in NVG before it moved. That explains the responses.

Lots of mistakes in this hand. Villain for not ensuring that your money was contributed before chopping, dealer for not making sure the pot was right and you for taking money that wasn't yours.

It would have been very easy to figure out how much you owed him if you weren't so busy trying to figure out how to screw the guy out of his fair share of the pot.

u suck OP

Give him the money you owe him. What you should have done is immediately after the hand and before they looked at the tapes was give him say 60-70$ and say you would give him any more needed once they had checked the tapes and knew the exact amount.

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Since when has B&M become full of trolls? Dont post if you have nothing to contribute... You can't really argue about giving him the $74, it is his money, but i think waiting for a security check is fine

I've always love scenarios like this because it usually sparks good discussion. It's not even up to debate to me that you should give the chips to the other guy but there's no way I'm giving him a chip less or a chip more than what he deserves. I would definitely wait for the floor or security to look at the tapes and get the correct amount. The situation that would be interesting is if the camera's can't determine how much the other guy is owed. Now how much do you owe? You don't deserve to get ripped off either way, either.

But the idea that you are only doing this because you had been up 500 and had you been stuck you would have complained more is laughable. Such a double standard.

It reminds me of working retail and a customer comes in looking for a product only to see it's cheaper than they expected but upon ringing it up it's discovered that it's priced wrong and is more than expected. Customers almost always refuse to pay and want to the price changed to what they thought it was. However, what about when the customer goes to buy something and upon ringing it up they discover that it was also priced wrong but in their favor. Which price are they wanting now?

Point being,you can't pick and choose when you want to make the right ethical decision. You either choose a) every time or b) but you can't choose the one that always benefits you.

can you imagine the tone of the post if OP was on the other side of this and DIDN'T get paid by guy who never matched the all in bet?

I guess I deserve the flames, it reads worse than what I meant. I don't even remember posting this, I think I was drunk when I made the post, anyway.

1. I in no way was going to cheat the kid out of money. We had been talking for a while and such, once the problem happened we talked it over ourselves and figured out exactly what had happened. After the dealer berated the kid for about 5 minutes for not showing his cards at the end of the hand until he had already pushed me the pot.

2. About being up or down, didn't matter either. All I was saying is I would have pushed harder for the house to make damn sure the amount was correct. That was my whole intention and the other guy wanted the same thing.

3. All I was really asking is if the house should have been responsible for giving him his money since it was their mistake that caused the whole problem to begin with. I find ****ty as hell that when they make a mistake we just have to go by their word that it happened the way it did.

Your question is absurd. Dealers are people. People make mistakes. Just because someone makes a mistake doesn't mean you shouldn't do what you should do to help correct it.

What are you upset about? Are you afraid you lost 2 bucks too much to their calculation?

Someone, anyone, please explain how it is conceivably possible that someone who started a hand with $120 in 1/2 NL takes an entire dealer switch AND a new hand to ascertain that $74 of it is missing. This means that what was likely a physical compilation of 20 to 25 red chips now has, at max, 9 red chips in it. How does EP not realize this as he's being pushed the pot?

We know what happened because of YOUR word as well, you knew what happened and didn't act on it until forced to. Also, the house's mistake didn't benefit them, you are confusing a house error in an errant pot with one that could be in their favor in a table game or such. They aren't required to pay.

I don't understand why this was so difficult? You agree that you contributed to the pot until the flop. Work from there. What was the preflop bet size, and how many players? How much in dead money? How much taken out by rake? Cut that number in half and subtract it from his stack. What's left is what you owe him.

This, of course, is a lot easier if we refrain from caring about slowrolls, or blaming the dealer, or demanding people prove things to you.

It's also a good example of why we should all pay attention and point out problems before they arise. It's all well and good to figure out who's to blame for the clusterf*ck, but how good is that for the game, regardless of who can justify more righteous anger?

Protect your hand.

(And before I get flamed, yes, this goes for the other guy too. But he's not here right now. EVERYBODY screwed up. Addressing out the errors of one does not exonerate another.)

I still can't understand mistaking $46 for $120 in a red chip game. $565 for $540 as you're dragging the pot? Clearly easy to do. Ultra deep with stacks of reds, some round number bet gets f'ed up, and a stack is missing? Again easy to do. But the above is simply inexplicable.

That's really not a good comparison. A store has an asymmetrical obligation to post accurate pricing info, so I don't feel bad about demanding the lower of the posted prices.

Here's a better comparison to your retail situation IMO: Suppose we're in a home game, the dealer is one of the players in the pot, and the home game makes the dealer responsible for insuring the pot's right at showdown. Now if there's a rule that the dealer can't recover chips if the pot's wrong, I don't have a problem with it. (Just keeping the money without a rule in effect is still pretty scummy, obviously.)

lol @ this thread

The guy had something over 120, as i mentioned before I was drinking and didn't pay close attention to exactly how much he had to begin. He was drinking also.

One of the reasons I questioned what to do is the fact that I've seen other posts on here about similar situations when the majority of replies were " I can't believe they let that happen" in regards to taking money back out of their stack. The dealer at first actually offered to pay the mistake out of his pocket and we both refused that from the start. but regardless that in itself shows some sort of reason to question the whole situation.