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03-03-2016 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by I Like Poker
Grosvenor casinos rules regarding betting, forward motion etc. is as follows:
Players may move a stack of chips over the line, place them on the felt, cut their bet out and pull back the remainder of their stack. The player can move a stack of chips over the line in the air, drop their bet, pull the remainder of their stack back over the line.
The bet is the amount of chips over the line when the player pulls their hand back over the line.


If the villain moved ANY chip over the line, whether he released it or not, it is a call as the minimum value he can release would be a call.

If he did NOT cross the line with any chip, then he had NOT called as he hasn't acted. The action is still on him.

If the latter is the actual case, the prematurely exposed hand, according to Grosvenor rules, can never be declared dead. The player exposing his hand 'may' be prevented from making any further aggressive action, which is obviously redundant in this case.
Also, because the player exposing his hand can only hurt himself and he can never benefit from this action, the correct ruling in a UK Grosvenor casino is to allow the villain his full range of options.

Exactly! - 100% accurate... Villain had the option to call or fold as hero was all in, of course he cannot call as he couldn't beat the nut flush, therefore it is a straight forward fold and hero takes pot. How it was ruled as a chop I will never know. It really tainted my opinion of my local.
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03-03-2016 , 11:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by I Like Poker
Grosvenor casinos rules regarding betting, forward motion etc. is as follows:
Players may move a stack of chips over the line, place them on the felt, cut their bet out and pull back the remainder of their stack. The player can move a stack of chips over the line in the air, drop their bet, pull the remainder of their stack back over the line.
The bet is the amount of chips over the line when the player pulls their hand back over the line.


If the villain moved ANY chip over the line, whether he released it or not, it is a call as the minimum value he can release would be a call.

If he did NOT cross the line with any chip, then he had NOT called as he hasn't acted. The action is still on him.

If the latter is the actual case, the prematurely exposed hand, according to Grosvenor rules, can never be declared dead. The player exposing his hand 'may' be prevented from making any further aggressive action, which is obviously redundant in this case.
Also, because the player exposing his hand can only hurt himself and he can never benefit from this action, the correct ruling in a UK Grosvenor casino is to allow the villain his full range of options.
I am not reading this as "If you are facing a bet and cross the line with any chips in hand, it is an automatic call" like you are.
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03-03-2016 , 11:16 PM
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I am not reading this as "If you are facing a bet and cross the line with any chips in hand, it is an automatic call" like you are.
Why not? If you move any quantity of chips over the line facing action you will be held to a call as a minimum. (Not withstanding the gross misunderstanding rule)

I will be in a Grosvenor casino this weekend, if I remember I will ask the crm/crs
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03-03-2016 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by I Like Poker
Why not? If you move any quantity of chips over the line facing action you will be held to a call as a minimum. (Not withstanding the gross misunderstanding rule)

I will be in a Grosvenor casino this weekend, if I remember I will ask the crm/crs
I don't see that

Quote:
Originally Posted by I Like Poker
Grosvenor casinos rules regarding betting, forward motion etc. is as follows:
Players may move a stack of chips over the line, place them on the felt, cut their bet out and pull back the remainder of their stack. The player can move a stack of chips over the line in the air, drop their bet, pull the remainder of their stack back over the line.
The bet is the amount of chips over the line when the player pulls their hand back over the line.
Anywhere in the above rule.

In fact, "The bet is the amount of chips over the line when the player pulls their hand back over the line" would make it seem like villain is not bound to a call. Since when he pulled his hand back, he had released no chips. OP specifically says that no chips touched the table in front of the line.
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03-04-2016 , 01:32 AM
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My apologies...I believe the bet amount to be the chips RELEASED over the line.

As the villain never released his chips I believe that he had NOT acted and therefore he has all his options open to him.

It is never a chopped pot.

I will clarify this over the weekend with a Grosvenor crm
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03-04-2016 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by I Like Poker
My apologies...I believe the bet amount to be the chips RELEASED over the line.

As the villain never released his chips I believe that he had NOT acted and therefore he has all his options open to him.

It is never a chopped pot.

I will clarify this over the weekend with a Grosvenor crm

and agree that it's never a chopped pot.
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03-04-2016 , 05:23 PM
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Forward motion with chips in hand over the line - all that's needed for an obvious decision. Hero not wrong at all (though headphones strike again!) for assuming that's a call - because it is.
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03-14-2016 , 09:17 AM
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I have discussed this with my local Grosvenor Casino (flagship poker room in the North) and as described by the OP, the villain has called.
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