I see this a lot in stream games lately. Definitely great for the game and induces lots of spazzy action. I know most casinos I’ve played in have a stupid gaming commission rule (middle finger) saying you can’t side bet or pass chips at a poker table. I like how on HCL the dealer gives the players button(s) to keep track of who won/(should be sitting) and seems like they kind of also enforce that the loser must pay. I’ve played some 2-7 bounty in casinos once or twice but if the dealer is a snitch they’ll throw water on it cuz they afraid they’ll lose their job over allowing a $20 bounty or whatever. I get it. But are there any casinos in USA where the dealer / house enforces stand up game rules? If so, I’d love to play there.

This is a strategy forum. I moved your question to the Casino and Cardroom Poker forum, which is the appropriate place for rules, game conditions, etc. discussion.

Ok that's fine, thanks.

I couldn't imagine getting any low/midstakes live table to agree to any of this. I'm always in, but try explaining this to seat 4, and making sure seat 7 is gonna actually pay the money after he busts.

It's hard enough to get the table to agree to a round of straddles.
"Ok, we're all in. We all agree?" Yep

5 hands in... You're the straddle
What?
We're all straddling, we all agreed
I never agreed

Or guy gets up before his straddle, comes back, "You owe a straddle"
Why...

I could imagine it. I have a very strong sense of imagination. To a fault, perhaps. I really think casinos should consider implementing this and advertising it on their bravo/poker atlas etc. so that everybody is aware of what they're signing up for. it really creates a better poker experience. Not sure if the nazi gaming commissions would allow it though...maybe that's who has to approve it first, idk.

Ding ding.

Too much of the 1/3, and even 2/5, poker population are recreational/casual players who don't watch vlogs/streams/etc and don't know what things like the nit game are. Peer pressuring them into some side-bet they don't really understand or want to play is a good way to lose those players, whom you should actually want at the table.

Even if you got everyone to stay around for hours and then understand and agree to the extra rules ... a bunch of casinos don't even allow it.

Eg. I have been told that the players at the 5/10+ games at MGM Springfield (timed and same people play) have been warned that they can't publicly talk about standup game etc. rules changes ... so while they still do extra things, it is all quietly recorded and settled off the table.


Also know that even to do a single bomb pot at every casino in MA and CT you aren't supposed to use those words and even if everyone agrees before a hand to just call $2 or $5, the casino will enforce none of it and may remove BBJ/etc promotions if you say anything during the hand.

I stand by my previous statements of fk any and all gaming commissions. We’re here to have fun and gamble and they’re here to be nazi nits

It's just not feasible I don't think unless it's a private curated game. You can't force somebody to just not leave the table if it's say down to 2 people. You would certainly have to collect the bounty from everybody first and hold it where?

I think the logistics and potential problems of doing this in a public game are just too much to make it worth while.

if you leave mid game you must auto-pay the standup game fee. the dealer can collect it at start of each roung - i see no issues

And how much does the casino rake this side action? The casino is def not going to deal with the headache for free so it’s not just gaming commission. Side action in casinos is always turned down because they can’t enforce it.

The Bomb Pot rage has finally reached the Midwest .. and it took some doing to get it done as well. IMO it's probably easier to get stuff through a Tribal casino, which is typically for only one location, than a state monitored facility.

IMO I think it will be a much harder task for this 'game' as Players are exchanging chips really without any visible part of poker to back it up. Yes, you could come up with buttons or markers or something to track the winner/losers.

I would also say that the the 'bounties' would need to be held 'in escrow' in the Dealers Tray to avoid any Players, especially one who busts, from getting out of paying it if they bust .. or just don't feel like 'playing' anymore.

Showdowns? It got through while Dealers look the other way. Bomb Pots? Most rooms take a 'premium' rake to cover the extra time involved .. of which affects the Dealer tokes and their 'stats'. GL

Most players tip in relation to size of pot they drag. Stand up game tends to inflate size of average pot significantly. Only takes dealer an extra few seconds to escrow a bounty every 10 hands or so and barely a second to push the escrow to winner. I think it’s worth the extra few seconds of work if their average tip will he 2x or so and their doing same amount of work

Not disagreeing with you at all .. My comments were about Bomb Pots, which do significantly slow the game down.

I was trying to reference some of the hurdles that these new variants have had to overcome in order to become 'regular'. While these are no-brainer type of things Players want to do in Poker, it's Gaming .. and typically their clueless members when it comes to poker .. that need to agree to the implementation in their facilities.

As I think about it more .. the escrow would have to be a requirement if a room was to implement this 'across the board'. While HS Players aren't immune to issues, IMO they are a smaller pool and pretty much self-police their spots when they come up.


I still find it much easier to explain a Bomb Pot as an "Ante Game with a split pot" to a new Player rather than dive into the ".. straight to the Flop .. " explanations that most other Players try to offer. And of course, when 3-4 table captains are talking at the same time I'm sure the new Player catches everything they need to know. GL

The question if it's worth for the dealer to lose their job over it.

I think the answer is **** the **** casino and **** the **** gaming commission.

Post of the year. I agree 1,000%

I’m saying can we legalize stand up game. And have the actual stand up rule enforced. Anybody who sits down pre winning a pot auto loses and pays table. Who wants to play with wheel chair people anyways? I don’t.

We as in "Grimstard's casino" for which you're in the process of obtaining a gaming license for? Yes, you can.

I’m saying the United States of America. Or at least New York & Massachusetts

Sure any casino can write the stand up game into their rules. Get the changes approved by the gaming commission and implement them.

The question is why would they want to go through all that?

You are talking about a small, but not insignificant expense to write up the rules, present them, and get them approved.

What do they get out of it?

Now you are going to say that it will attract a certain segment of the poker playing population who like stuff like that.

Yes. Yes it will. However it will also turn off a larger segment of the poker playing population who do not understand it and find it an annoying distraction.

So why are the casinos going to turn off a larger portion of their player base to make a smaller segment be able to legally play these side games?

What is in it for the casino?

I think it is better leaving it like it is now. Players who want it are generally in the higher limit games in the casino and they figure out a way to make it work without the casinos help (using trust and side money).

Until you come up with a reason for casinos to do this it is not going to happen within the legal rules.

It isn't as attractive to the casinos as you think it is. It is more a pain in the behind than anything else.

I haven’t seen any form of bomb pots standup game etc in the northeast. We didn’t even get downstate casinos yet in ny. I doubt those side bet activities will be allowed anytime soon, if ever

Even bomb pots are losing their luster among the players base. Last time I played in Vegas I was constantly surprised at how many players leave thr table to avoid the bomb pots.

Even as a dealer I rarely see all 8 players at a PLO table participate in the bomb pot. More often than not it is 4 or 5 players. It used to be everyone participated at PLO and players would be pissed if they missed a bomb pot.

Not anymore.

I want to note that the casino I work at had a problem with the stand up game. We don't anything to encourage the stand up game, but we don't discourage it either. We leave it up to the players and we are even willing to look the other way if money is exchanged from stacks.

The game onky really happens at our highest NL games (either $5/$10 or $10/$20).

I wasn't dealing, but I heard about it directly from the floorman who was involved.

Basically a $10/$20 game full of regs had been playing the stand up game all day. They had been playing $100 per person (i.e. the loser gives each of the other 8 players $100 each). They had been playing so much all day that the stakes naturally gravitated upwards and they were playing for $300 per person (costing the loser 8 X $300 =$2400).

I guess this game was going rather slow as a couple players went on hot streaks and were winning most of the pots. Furthermore,it seemed like each hand was a legitimate major hand so the play was slow. Basically the stand up game took a backseat to the regular action.

Sometime during all of this, a player had left the table to go to the bathroom. When he came back to the game he sat down. No one noticed it for a while. Then with only 2 players left standing up, someone commented that the Bathroom player had not won a hand and should be standing as well.

Of course the bathroom player disputed it. He said he had won a hand before he left. The game had gone on far longer than normal and since they had been playing the stand up game all day, the games blended together in everyone's memory. There was significant dispute on whether or not he had won a hand.

I guess the dispute got rather heated enough to stop play. The floor came over and the players all explained to him what they were arguing about. The floor said he would go on the back and look at the tapes.

He goes in the back and starts looking at the film, but is struggling to find the right footage to watch. Since the game had gone on abnormally long, no one knew when it started in order to give the floorman a reasonable starting point. Furthermore, since they had been playing regularly, it wasn't easy to find the start of this particular stand up game.

So he spends about 5 or 10 minutes trying to figure it out. The problem is, he is busy and has a bunch of other stuff he should be doing. Finally he gives up and realizes that he shouldn't be doing this anyway. This is between the players. It shouldn't involve the casino.

So he goes back out and basically tells the players that he couldn't quuckly find it and that he probably shouldn't be looking for this anyway. This is between the players.

If it turns them of Then just play the kiddie game without it ffs