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Old 06-08-2014, 06:21 AM   #1
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Is this a slowroll?

Playing MTT at local casino, i am on the button V1 BB, V2-UTG

I have previous experience with both, V1 is cool V2 has several times (not today tho) slowrolled he dont mind angle either if he gets the chance.

So the hand has no action what so ever, i end up with 2nd pair bad kicker and highly doubt i am good.

at showdown V1 table 3rd pair, V2 look at this cards no action, but dont muck them, he awkwardly takes forever to either table or muck so dealer grabs the pot and slide it over to V1 and i say i beat his hand.

at that point V2 muck and i show.

at that point i was accused for slowrolling while the only thing i wanted to avoid was to get slowrolled myself.

thoughts?
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Old 06-08-2014, 07:17 AM   #2
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Re: Is this a slowroll?

Say sorry but you were waiting on v2 to action.
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Old 06-08-2014, 07:50 AM   #3
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Re: Is this a slowroll?

"Mommy, Mommy, he won't turn his cards over"

Unless Opponent #2 is a known jerk, turn your hand over, claim the pot, and go on to the next hand.

And, yes, waiting until the dealer shoves the pot to another player to speak up is, if not a slowroll, irritating as heck to the rest of the table.
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Old 06-08-2014, 08:15 AM   #4
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Re: Is this a slowroll?

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"Mommy, Mommy, he won't turn his cards over"

Unless Opponent #2 is a known jerk, turn your hand over, claim the pot, and go on to the next hand.

And, yes, waiting until the dealer shoves the pot to another player to speak up is, if not a slowroll, irritating as heck to the rest of the table.
He IS a known jerk as stated in first post.
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Old 06-08-2014, 08:43 AM   #5
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He IS a known jerk as stated in first post.
Missed that.

Would still turn my cards over and get the hand over with. Especially since it is 3 way action and Opponent #1 has already shown a hand you can beat. You are, in fact, contributing to the "slowrolling of Opponent #1".


Heads up vs a jerk, I might wait a bit.
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Old 06-08-2014, 08:55 AM   #6
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Re: Is this a slowroll?

Been there, done that, got no t-shirt.....

I recognize this situations. It happens a lot at my local casino.

I would have pointed with my arm at V2 and loudly say "Show your hand!" as soon he hesitate showing or mucking.

Try that next time.
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Old 06-08-2014, 08:58 AM   #7
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Heads up vs a jerk, I might wait a bit.
I would normally agree, but perhaps not in this situation. There has been absolutely no post-flop action whatsoever, so it's not as if anyone is trying to hide anything. In fact, if I was on the button like OP and just checked back for the third and final time, I would just immediately flip over my cards at that point and not even wait for V1 much less V2.
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Old 06-08-2014, 09:18 AM   #8
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I would normally agree, ...

I would just immediately flip over my cards at that point and not even wait for V1 much less V2.
1. I said HU, not three-way
2. I said I might wait a bit, maybe a couple of seconds, not a twenty second stare down.
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Old 06-08-2014, 09:39 AM   #9
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Re: Is this a slowroll?

Slow rollers get the enjoyment of seeing you get excited about winning, then getting deflated when you lose. Deny them that pleasure and they'll stop. Just show your hand. It speeds the game up and it ruins his pleasure because the first player will just fold immediately.
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Old 06-08-2014, 09:44 AM   #10
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Re: Is this a slowroll?

Why did you think 2nd pair (no kicker) was no good when there was no action preceding showdown. You pretty much have the stone cold nuts most of the time IMO. E

Epic slow roll dude.
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Old 06-08-2014, 10:01 AM   #11
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Re: Is this a slowroll?

Ok got it i just have a hard time putting myself in a situation were i can get slowrolled from V with history of slowrolling if he indeed had top pair weak kicker he probably did the same.

I am pretty careless of angles, bad beats and what not but a slowroll tilts me tremendously even tho i am not in the hand.

this was not an epic slow roll - if you wanna hear about an epic here it comes.

playing heads up cash game at local casino flop a set of 6īs, call Vīs all in on flop at showdown i tell him i have a set of 6īs ask if he can beat it he said no i table my hand and he looks down with disappointment wait another couple of seconds smile and table runner runner nut straight.

and yes it wasnt like he realized that he hit the straight when he did his disappointed expression he knew he had the nuts

lol
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Old 06-08-2014, 10:15 AM   #12
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...but a slowroll tilts me tremendously even tho i am not in the hand.
Then the slowroller has won. Because you handed him the Power to tilt you.

Slowrollers are often average players who have agendas that cost them money.
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Old 06-08-2014, 10:21 AM   #13
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Then the slowroller has won. Because you handed him the Power to tilt you.

Slowrollers are often average players who have agendas that cost them money.
I agree itīs a weakness and leak - not sure how to handle it tho.

except for trying to avoid getting slowrolled as in above example, which leads me to slowroll V1, loose loose situation i guess.
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Old 06-08-2014, 12:48 PM   #14
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so dealer grabs the pot and slide it over to V1
Wait, why?
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Old 06-08-2014, 12:55 PM   #15
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Wait, why?
Dealer is fed up with the petty little games that V2 and OP are playing. If he hadn't shoved the pot toward V1, they might still be waiting for V2 to show down, so that OP could show down.

One hand was shown. If nobody else wants the claim the pot, give it to the player who has tabled the best hand.
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Old 06-08-2014, 05:19 PM   #16
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Re: Is this a slowroll?

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Dealer is fed up with the petty little games that V2 and OP are playing. If he hadn't shoved the pot toward V1, they might still be waiting for V2 to show down, so that OP could show down.

One hand was shown. If nobody else wants the claim the pot, give it to the player who has tabled the best hand.
While that very well may be true, the dealer really shouldn't be doing this. Yeah, we all hate when players start skating around when it comes time to flip or muck, but they can't just take it upon themselves to push pots like this just because they're annoyed by something or don't have the tolerance to deal with it.
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Old 06-08-2014, 06:14 PM   #17
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Re: Is this a slowroll?

My god table your hand ffs. Who cares if V2 is lying in wait with TP because he wants to see your 2nd pair, which is quite obviously what you have once 3rd pair has been tabled and you don't muck.

Why does opening yourself up to a slowroll bother you? Are you actually affected by slowrollers at the table?
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Old 06-08-2014, 06:18 PM   #18
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I agree itīs a weakness and leak - not sure how to handle it tho.
Table your hand, get shipped the pot or don't get shipped the pot. Play the next hand, is the easiest way to handle slowrollers in my experience.
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Old 06-08-2014, 06:20 PM   #19
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I agree itīs a weakness and leak - not sure how to handle it tho.

except for trying to avoid getting slowrolled as in above example, which leads me to slowroll V1, loose loose situation i guess.
You handle it by removing yourself from the set of people who give a crap about slowrolls.

Is your hand the only one remaining? If no, then you haven't yet won. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Someone pausing and then showing a better hand should register as no more offensive than someone running to catch a bus.
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Old 06-08-2014, 09:01 PM   #20
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Re: Is this a slowroll?

You're good. V2 has to show or muck. If you table your hand before V2 then you deprive the players from seeing what V2 was playing. No one should have any issue with your play in this hand.
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Old 06-08-2014, 10:21 PM   #21
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Re: Is this a slowroll?

No issues here. As you are on the button and there has been no action whatsoever during the hand's play, you have the right to see the other player's cards before showing yourself.
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