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Old 04-19-2021, 10:38 AM   #26
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Re: Situation at Orleans 8/16

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Nobody's mad that he's not being forced to play 500?

Screw the $8 and the attitude .. why let him short stack with 11 BB? GL

PS .. As a Floor, this is my 'out' in getting him to leave for the day. By forcing him to put the whole $500 'back' on the table.
The game is 8/16 limit. 12BB = $192 is the theoretical maximum any player can put in the pot in any given hand if bets per round are capped at 4.

IIRC, the minimum buy-in in that game is $80.
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Old 04-19-2021, 04:21 PM   #27
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Re: Situation at Orleans 8/16

Foreign chips don't play. He shouldn't have been dealt in until he had funds to play with.
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Old 04-19-2021, 07:23 PM   #28
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Re: Situation at Orleans 8/16

Hi checkraise:

This is certainly a doozy. My comments are embedded below.

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Player just got felted. Dealer asks player if he wants to be dealt in. Player pulls out 500 in Wynn chips and says heís playing 500 behind. Dealer hesitates, and the player insists to deal him in. Dealer ends up dealing him in. I would have said something, but I didnít know it was Wynn chips he pulled out.
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This is simple. The dealer should have never dealt him in. Action gets to the player, who calls the bb (8 dollars, this is an 8/16 game).
He folds the flop to a bet. Then he walks off and we think he is trying to scam 8 dollars by walking away. We call the floor over and tell him what happened. Floor says he will take care of the 8 dollars.
Given that this person was allowed to play, the floor made the right decision.

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Before that can happen, the guy comes back and sits down with 200. He says heís not going to pay because if he had won the pot, they wouldnít have paid him. Floor gets called over and he says that he will take care of the 8 dollars and gives the player a warning.
The floor should tell the player that if he doesn't pay the $8 he's not welcome to play at the Orleans, and if necessary, have security escort him out.

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The whole table is pissed, including me. I ask him why he insisted on being dealt in if he knew the rule. He refuses to answer and starts trying to say Iím being an ******* or whatever because Iím calling him out to his face.
This is typical behavior from this type of jerk.

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The floor says he doesnít have to pay because the dealer was the one who made a mistake by dealing him in. The game ended up breaking because everyone was angry that he was allowed to play. I may have had something to do with that.
Management needs to have a conversation with the floor to make him understand that he screwed up badly.

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Do you think the casino handled this situation correctly? If not, what should have happened?
I think the floorman should probably be put on suspension for a couple of days.

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Old 04-19-2021, 07:25 PM   #29
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Re: Situation at Orleans 8/16

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You can't make him pay the $8 but you can kick him out of the room if he refuses to pay. That's what I would have done if I was the floor.

Ultimately, blame falls on the dealer for pitching that player a hand. Based on the way you describe the situation, the dealer was fully aware that he's not supposed to deal the player in. That means he made a conscious decision to do so anyway. That should be addressed.

Dealer should have called for the floor once the player starts to argue with him.
Hi madlex:

You have this absolutely right.

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Old 04-19-2021, 07:27 PM   #30
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Lmao it's 8/16, all the players are bad. Why would I want to play with a POS angle shooter?
Hi checkrais:

One thing not mentioned here is that this is the type of situation which can contribute to an adversarial relationship between the players and cardroom management, And it's not good.

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Old 04-19-2021, 07:30 PM   #31
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If the guy is a regular, I could see floor covering for him - didn't the floor pay the $8 like they said they would?
Hi e1cnr:

I'm not familiar with the Orleans poker room so my next sentence doesn't apply to them. But any poker room that routinely shows favoritism like this is just asking for problems down the road.

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Old 04-19-2021, 07:32 PM   #32
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It's 8/16 limit, with regular rake almost everyone is a losing player in that game.

Let's say kicking him out costs you $10 in EV, a number that's certainly far too high. I'd happily pay $10 to get a stealing POS removed from my game.

You're acting like we're talking about the only action player in a deep 5/10NL game who might drop another 5-10k if allowed to stay in the game.


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Hi madlex:

I kinda agree with you. But I would much prefer that the floor does it job well.

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Old 04-19-2021, 07:35 PM   #33
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Slightly weird situation:

I am sympathetic to dealer letting wynn chips play - most casinos are happy to convert. It does risk minor delay of game due to procedural hiccups.
Hi moni:

No they're not. Years ago this was true, but most casinos today won't convert chips.

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