Player in the 8 seat while heads-up silently bets the flop by tossing out a small stack of red which topples over so some of the chips are slightly on top of each other. Dealer doesn't say anything and doesn't stack the chips.

Player in the 2 seat, an elderly Asian man who seems to have limited English speaking abilities puts out $35 in red chips without saying either call or raise.

Dealer counts Player 2's chips and tells him he has to add one more chip because a min raise is to $40. The player looks slightly puzzled but puts two more red chips. The Dealer picks one up to toss it back to Player 2 but then realizes that the initial bet was $25 not $20 as he thought, so he asks Player 2 for $5 more to make a min raise to $50.

Now the room has a rule that if you place more chips in the pot than necessary to call without saying anything, if the extra chips are more than half the bet you are facing you must make a minimum raise if they are less it is only a call.

When the dealer first asked for more chips from Player 2 he thought the $35 was more than 1.5 times the $20 bet but when the dealer finally realized the correct size of the initial bet ($25) the $35 Player 2 put out there was less than 1.5 times the actual $25 bet so should have only been a call.

Should I have spoken up?

Player 2 didn't seem to know what was going on but also didn't seem to be upset about putting more money into the pot. Player in the 8 seat didn't say anything either, so I kept quiet.

Should I have said something to the dealer later?

Borderline. I used to be the player that always 'reminded' dealers if a rule wasn't being followed but now I'm sick and tired of it esp if nobody is complaining.

I would have said something at the time, but I wouldn't blame you for not saying anything.

Seems like the dealer is really being lazy here and not doing his job. It's not that tough to discriminate 4 chips from 5, but if he isn't sure what the bet his, he should take a closer look.

Yes.

"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right." ~ I.A.

Seems like the dealer made a mistake and therefore he should have corrected it himself if he had been paying attention. If the dealer can't acknowledge the problem, then it would probably be wise to say something.

Lots of speculation and I'm sure it played out pretty quickly and in those positions it can be hard catch up, then make sense of it, then decide what to do.

Guess my answer is a question: how much coffee did you have this morning?

I would have spoken up 1) to be fair to the caller, and 2) to make sure the dealer and the table understood the rule correctly. I have seen times when the dealer makes a mistake, no one says anything, then a player gets upset when the same situation is ruled differently later in the session or tournament.

I would always say something here.

For a few reasons:

It's the right thing to do imo.
I really don't know what the 'raiser?..' meant to do. He could have actually been trying to raise and thought he has enough out there and that it why he was confused.
And since a and b (even if be shouldn't matter, it does..), I'm going to speak up.

It is the players responsibility to point out any mistakes as they happen. I know a lot of players dont like this, but it is true.

Who knows if the player actually meant to raise, now he is being forced to against the rules.

Dont wait till after, say it right away.

If your not in the hand you shouldn't say anything, you don't want to influence the action

Saying something to the dealer after is ok

Influence the action?

Are you kidding? If anybody is influencing the action it is the dealer.

How about getting the action right?

Dealer obviously butchered the action here, but someone else stepping in can make the situation worse.. its often unclear what the players want and they are the ones with the most at stake here

How the players react to your involvment can create new information or get them annoyed with you

I see this as a situation where being silent is the lesser of 2 evils, dealer has done enough that players should be able to protect themselves

Assuming players need protection, while admirable in principle, can also be problematic

I'd say something just simply because I have no clue what is even going on. Don't be a tool and throw chips in . This is not rounders. 2nd jsut ask her what she wants to do, because I have no idea if she wants to call or raise. It's pretty unfair.

Yes I would have definitely said something, especially since the dealer seems to be incompetent and doesn't know how to do her job perpetually. When someone throws out a bet in a messy stack of chips, they need to be counted immediately, BEFORE counting the next guy's bet.

Well if you are pretty sure about a situation or really confused by the action, you certainly should always speak up. If I just suspect that something is amiss, but really am not sure, I usually just keep quiet. In most cases , I have found that there is no shortage of folks who will speak up at most tables right or wrong. This can be annoying sometimes, but often enough it keeps thing correct and fair.

Yes.

I always speak up when I see a dealer making a mistake.

I am sometimes wrong. In the end my mistakes don't matter in that they don't change the action, but a dealer's mistake can completely change a hand or the amount of chips a player wins/loses.

For those of you keeping your mouth shut....what if it was you that was made to raise against the rules when you didnt want to (please do not respond with "I would never make this mistake")

Again a lot of rule sets say it is your responsibility to say something here.