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View Poll Results: Should the dealer read hands as they are tabled?
Yes, absolutely this should happen 64 69.57%
No, absolutely wait until all hands are tabled or a player asks "what does he have?" 10 10.87%
It is fine either way 9 9.78%
It is fine in a cash game, not OK in a tournament 1 1.09%
Dealer should read in a low stakes game, but not in high stakes games 5 5.43%
BASTARD 3 3.26%
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Old 09-10-2018, 11:53 AM   #101
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THAT is unprofessional? Then you're gonna HATE what I did once.
People don't hate unprofessionalism, they love it. People love "sticking it to the man" and "teaching people lessons" and most people don't love their jobs enough that the downside of getting fired is a deterrent.

You accidentally muck someone's cards while pretending to, or you get close enough so their opponent argues you did, and we get the B&M Thread of the Week "I turned my hand up at showdown and the dealer mucked it."
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Old 09-11-2018, 03:00 AM   #102
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There is always a high hand no matter what is on the board. There isn't always a low. That's why. If a player wants to know what the other's low hand is, then ask the dealer. That's not a problem. The problem is bringing attention to another moron at the table who may not know there is a low possibility. I've been at many tables and watched many hands where a player will muck his hand that would have qualified and won the low just because they missed their draw. It should be on the player to recognize if their is a possible low, and/or if they can beat it. Say for instance the dealer announces "player A has a king high flush and no low", now it's been brought to the attention of moron B who has a low but wasn't aware until the dealer said something. See the issue? If you don't that's fine, I'll just bow out of this thread.
I'm honestly shocked by the number of posters in this thread who don't understand this. Dealer shouldn't need to prompt players to table their hand. Once it is tabled the dealer will get the money to the winner(s).

Announcing the best hand tabled so far is mostly to speed up the process, which is why it is not particularly important whether dealer announces the exact hi hand or approximate rank.

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Old 09-11-2018, 04:12 AM   #103
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I'm honestly shocked by the number of posters in this thread who don't understand this. Dealer shouldn't need to prompt players to table their hand. Once it is tabled the dealer will get the money to the winner(s).
Everyone understands this. They just don't agree that

1) announcing that one player has a low should be considered "prompting" other players to show their hand

2) the slight chance of this announcement helping one player over another should be considered more important than the clarity provided by following proper procedure

3) it is a positive outcome for a lesser hand to win just because the player with the best hand didn't realize what he held
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Old 09-11-2018, 09:56 PM   #104
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Mind blowing stuff in this thread. If I let showdowns take 30 seconds+ because I don’t announce hands I cost myself 3-5 hands per down. Ummmmm no thanks, we’re not playing “gotcha” poker...anyone who tables their hand at my table and it’s the best/only hand tabled it’s getting announced. Nosebleed stakes where players basically run the game and dealers are expected to say virtually nothing, different story.
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Old 09-15-2018, 10:58 AM   #105
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Re: Should Dealers Read Hands as they are Tabled?

IME, most dealers are terrible at reading O8 hands and are likely to give out wrong info. That would be my concern.
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Old 09-15-2018, 02:09 PM   #106
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IME, most dealers are terrible at reading O8 hands and are likely to give out wrong info. That would be my concern.

Not having dealers read hands wouldn't solve this. How do those dealers decide where to push the pot? And if you struggle to read O8 hands, I can't imagine it's easier to do so with 29 cards faceup like the player from OP wants, with a table of O8 players barking at you.
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Old 09-15-2018, 03:10 PM   #107
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Re: Should Dealers Read Hands as they are Tabled?

I'm saying that a dealer misreading a hand, and then announcing it to the table could cause a player to incorrectly fold a winning hand.

I'm not really sure what you're advocating.
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Old 09-16-2018, 10:10 AM   #108
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I'm saying that a dealer misreading a hand, and then announcing it to the table could cause a player to incorrectly fold a winning hand.

I'm not really sure what you're advocating.

I would advocate that dealers correctly read tabled hands and if you aren't capable of reading O8, you shouldn't be dealing O8.

What are you advocating? Seat 8 tables his hand, seat 2 says "what's he got?" Now what?
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Old 09-16-2018, 04:32 PM   #109
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I would advocate that dealers correctly read tabled hands and if you aren't capable of reading O8, you shouldn't be dealing O8.

What are you advocating? Seat 8 tables his hand, seat 2 says "what's he got?" Now what?
Seat 2 tables his hand or folds.
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Old 09-16-2018, 05:27 PM   #110
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I would advocate that dealers correctly read tabled hands and if you aren't capable of reading O8, you shouldn't be dealing O8.

What are you advocating? Seat 8 tables his hand, seat 2 says "what's he got?" Now what?
I'm not sure what the best solution is. Better dealers, I suppose.

I often find myself needing to correct dealers at showdown. It's not an ideal situation.
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Old 09-16-2018, 05:32 PM   #111
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Seat 2 tables his hand or folds.

So despite "cards speak" and the fact that the rules say dealers should assist with reading, your preference is the dealer should sit mute when a player with an active hand asks the contents of the tabled hand?? That is completely absurd.

Ok he tabled. Now what?
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Old 09-17-2018, 08:21 PM   #112
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Seat 2 tables his hand or folds.
This is ridiculous.
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Old 09-17-2018, 09:08 PM   #113
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This is ridiculous.
This whole thread was ridiculous from the jump, yet here we are.
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Old 09-18-2018, 11:21 AM   #114
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Re: Should Dealers Read Hands as they are Tabled?

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So despite "cards speak" and the fact that the rules say dealers should assist with reading, your preference is the dealer should sit mute when a player with an active hand asks the contents of the tabled hand?? That is completely absurd.

Ok he tabled. Now what?
Now you muck the losing hand and push the pot. Then he screams, "wait! what does he have?" And apparently you just keep quiet and move on to the next hand because you can't be helping to read hands.
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Old 09-18-2018, 07:50 PM   #115
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So despite "cards speak" and the fact that the rules say dealers should assist with reading, your preference is the dealer should sit mute when a player with an active hand asks the contents of the tabled hand?? That is completely absurd.

Ok he tabled. Now what?
Dealer announces winning hand and pushes pot.
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Old 09-19-2018, 12:39 AM   #116
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Re: Should Dealers Read Hands as they are Tabled?

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Seat 8 tables his hand, seat 2 says "what's he got?" Now what?
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Seat 2 tables his hand or folds.
An entirely believable sequence, nice work.
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