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Originally Posted by Reducto
It makes a difference if the chips went in around the same time or they went in later.
If they went in a few seconds later, old TDA says it's 1500. Current TDA says it's 15k. It sounds like their house rules are based off the old TDA.
Well, if he had the chips in hand and verbaled then tossed them in within milliseconds, it's ridiculous to rule both that the verbal declaration takes precedence and that the verbal declaration is 1500. Having 15k chips in hand ready to throw in pretty much resolves the ambiguity.
If he said 15, paused a few seconds (or went back to his stack), and then tossed the 15k then now you should apply the rule about ambiguous declarations (bad as it is) because now it's subject to angling. Say something ambiguous, look for the tell, then clarify--that's liable to angling.
Area between say 500 milliseconds and 3 seconds' delay is a judgment call by the TD but a lot of things should be judgment calls involving common sense. Neither ruling would be egregious (given the really bad house rule). Turning poker into a haven for rules lawyers is not in the long-term interest of the game.
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Originally Posted by Reducto
Best to wait a couple of seconds to make sure you know what the bet is before acting.
Always. Seems unlikely this was an angle but it's good to protect yourself against angling.
If in doubt I would ask "What is the action?" Note that this question doesn't contain any numbers or the words bet, raise, call, fold. If you ask, "Does that mean 15 thousand?" they can mishear and now
you're the one raising to 15k!