Hello guys,

I am playing poker all my life and never have an experience like this one, on Seminole hard rock casino in Miami.
I am playing for 8days, NL500 (200-1k), 79h32m in total for -8144$.
The thing is I never have a run of dead cards like that. In those days I had 3times AA (2 without action and win a 700$ pote with FH vs flush), 5 times KK (loose 3 and 2 without action), 3 times QQ (loose 2, win a flip PF for 400$ pot), made 5 flushes with 3 on the board and loose 2 (significativ pots against quads and higher flush and no action on the others). I have made 6sets in all of this time, loose once set over set on flop, no action on 4 and win the hand report of aces...
... I win like 3 hands with KQ (no relevant pots).
I admit the game here on USA is very tricky and I loose some $ squeezing some pots with randoms but its unbelivable when all you try go wrong. I try use blockers to bluff, scary cards for the old mens, overbet on slizy boards on a bb defense range twice and just fold my hand...
When I arrived I loose 4k on slot machines and casino games and I believe have some relation with that. To finalize I recognize they have some good regular players, good balanced in their games but thats not the point.

so you think a multi-million dollar enterprise like Seminole Hard Rock is going to cheat you out of $8k?

Maybe you just ran bad. Maybe you just suck at poker.

You lost like 8 max buy-ins, in an 80 hour window?

I think I've been cheated before too

You know I thought your post was bullshit but then I realized I misread 79 hours and 30 minutes instead of 79 hours and 32 minutes and realized that hard rock definitely cheated you.

Maybe I just run bad and a group like Seminole just dont need to do that but the numbers are here and if I have in consideration I have play more than 2k hands all of this dont match.
I have made only 3 straits in this time (without a considerable pot)..
- 1 time 23o on bb on a limped multiway pot A45, I donk, 4 folds..
- Open 9Ts vs btn+ blinds KQJ, folds..
- JQ to nuts the flop vs same hand...
I am just saying this stats just dont match and its true 2k hands are not 10k hands.
I accept your jokes about that because probably in your position I probably do the same.

My KK hands:
- 2 hands I fold on Axx and AAx and another one vs an AA straddle where I open SB 45 and call 3b 140$ J8XQT, c/call 250 Flop, c/check turn and C/call 300 river.
Its more a hand to discuss where he just find value to bet that river when I have a really capped hand and when i wasn't playing for a long long time..

No one cares what hands you lost with. This is some combination of running bad and playing bad - i.e. normal variance. It sucks that you're in that part of the tail, but that is poker sometimes.

There is no point to the Seminole casino rigging their game, and risking losing their multi-million dollar money making machine, and risking going to prison, so that some other player (not the casino, mind you) wins 8k from you over 80 hours.

In a home game perhaps you have something to be worried about (though again, probably not), but definitely not in a reasonably-run, regulated casino, even if it is tribal and not (as) subject to state oversight.

Hope you are right and maybe its my first time in 15 years of live poker cash games I run so bad and was card dead for so long.

I'm somewhat glad posts like this can still exist in the year 2021.

Welcome to the forums .. hopefully you can find some useful experiences here. Use the search function for related topics.

I see a lot of 'folds' and 'no action' in your comments when you have the nuts/near nuts .. This implies a betting tell of some sort, either timing tell or bet sizing .. or it could just be that you bet period! It's possible that you are having some trouble assigning an image to certain opponents as well.

In general, if you are 'only' down roughly 1 BI per day playing 10 hour sessions then I think there's a lot of Players that might consider that a successful week! Granted you have higher expectations based on your history with the game.

From what I've heard the poker action in Florida is wonderful, but I've also heard that the Players can be very stubborn as well. And also your expectations of how much 'poker' is being played may be too high at the 2/5 stack .. more 'card' playing and gambling going on. Especially if they view you as a 'serious' Player, then the rest of the table is just waiting for spots to pick you off.

You're never going to avoid flush v flush or set v set spots all together, it's just tough when they 'all' seem to be happening in a short period of time.

My guess is that you would do very little to change how you played those spots, eh? So in the long run you're going to be on the other side just as often. If you feel that you overplayed your hands, then start making the adjustments for the room. If you're not comfortable (or capable) of making those adjustments, then maybe drop down to 1/2-1/3 and see if the game flow is any different.

Suggesting the the game is rigged against any certain Players will be a pretty tough sell. Are you always losing to the same Player(s)? Doubtful over that period of time. If anything I think they would want you to win at poker so you can try and get your money back out of the slots. GL

I recognize I am not totally adapted to this passive game. Its not usual see how the majority of people just dont protect their hands PF, like AJs+, KQ, 88-QQ.. just limping and calling and playing multiway spots (maybe because of the half hour highter hand bonus). This game have a very few % a 4bet, because dont have a considerable 3b rate too.
But nothing I say really matter because I think all of you are right and It is just a bad run. Aniway maybe someone see the post in the futur and be in the same situation.
Thanks and GL All

If you want to discuss your (and your opponents) play of various types of hands, the Strategy forums would be a better choice. Here's a link to the Live No Limit Holdem Cash forum, low limits filter.

I have been amazed at how many different casinos I play in that are rigged. Every time I play in them, I lose. Just about every casino is in on it.

I found the problem...right here. The ranges you think your opponents have and how they'll play them from 15 years of online play vs are on another planet to compared to the ranges you were actually playing against.

Ummm. He said live not online.

I need to learn to read better

I have recognize the ranges issue since 1st day.. If I dont see the diference in the first hours, the fish is me..
My problem is really about my run..
Again today..
I just need go home, rest a couple of days and will work hard to recover this swing as quick as possible.

They absolutely would. They stole $600 in slot vouchers from me because they "had me on camera stealing them". I came back after my 24-hour ban (why someone caught on camera committing grand theft would not face criminal charges, let alone only be banned from the property for 24-hours, is another question entirely) to file a complaint because it was obviously bullshit. I'm pretty sure they thought I was a ticket puller who goes around cashing out leftover change out of machines. After they completed their investigation, they confirmed that the money obviously belonged to me, and they offered me $500 in free play as compensation. That's not in addition to what they took from me, mind you. They looked me in the eye and admitted they ****ed up by stealing my money, yet refused to return it all to me. They are absolutely shameless.

OP's story is obviously not this, but don't for one second believe that the Seminoles won't rob you.

I used to play 20/40 LHE regularly mostly at FW. One time I was in Los Angeles and decided to play at Commerce. The players did not seem very good but I managed to lose $2,300 in under two hours.

Fortunately for me I have a stop limit of $2,300 in one session so I cut my losses. I can't ever remember having such bad luck (though once at FW I lost $4,600 in two days but got a free beach chair so it was worth it). Of all the hands I lost I was ahead on the flop in almost every one of them. And I didn't see the losses coming because my opponents always had hands that I would have folded to flop or turn bets.

I can't say that the other players were in fact bad. I also have no idea at what point I went on tilt and lost hands I should never have been in. But I can say that if I had focused on the casino "cheating" me I wouldn't have played there again which would have been a net loss to me.

The games at Commerce turned out to be tougher than at FW and the players definitely played a different style for the most part. Perhaps that was part of the problem you had along with getting unlucky when you had big hands. Playing in a new place can be tough because the regulars there know each other and their styles. Yes you have an advantage in that they don't know you but you have a bigger disadvantage in that when two or more of them are in a hand with you they will understand what is going on with the other person but you won't.

Anyway how you handle these types of losses are what is going to define you. Either you learn from it or you don't.

HOW would they do that?

WHY would they do that?

Conclusion: they didn't do that.

I would like an explanation for how they pulled this off. I would find that fascinating.

Just like a 24 hr ban makes no sense if they thought and accused you of “grand theft”, it makes no sense you did not go to the cops and accuse them of the same. Particular once they admitted what they did and refused give it back.

Those two realities make the story hard to believe as told. There is more to it than what was shared.

Are you asking 'Why and how would a casino pick one person out of hundreds of players and, over 8 days, coordinate with dozens of dealers to ice the deck so that he got coolered over and over again?', then you are asking the right question

Whenever I encounter a conspiracy theorist, and it has been happening with stunning frequency lately, I always ask them to sit down with a piece of paper, and make a list of all the independently acting people or organizations that would have to be involved. Then i ask 'Is there motivation for each of these parties to be part of the conspiracy? Is it reasonable to think that each of these parties has the capability of executing the conspiracy? Is it likely that all of these groups could participate in the conspiracy and no one would leak it?'

In this case, the number of floor, dealers, and players (yes, the player would have to know that they would suck out, otherwise they would not make max profit from the scam) involved make it seem very unlikely that the was cheating.

If OP had said 'Whenever I play, a certain dealer always deals me a cooler to a certain player', it could be a little more credible, as then, there are only two people involved in the conspiracy. But the whole idea that an entire casino has select you to be targeted for cheating over an 8 day span....nope.

I once lost set over set three times across two sessions. Rigged.