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Originally Posted by jordan1352
would mainly occur in tournaments, one specific example was i was really shortstacked, had like 5bb, theres a raise pre flop and a three bet shove for somewhere between 12-20bb, actions on me, i would want a count to work out the range this guy would have and what hands the original raiser would call with. i asked the dealer for a count and he just said he covers you.
While I agree that there are times when it may be relevant. I think your case is not good example .... unless you think you have figured your oppoent to be working in a ridiculously precise mathematical model you should not need an exact count you should be ale to get there on an estimate (we are talking ranges here ranges apply to bets as well has hand values).
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Originally Posted by SpewingIsMyMove
I believe it was heads up. His rationale, which I don't disagree with, was that he was trying to figure out what percentage of villain's stack was being risked, in order to try and figure out the liklihood that the villain was bluffing. It wouldn't have even stood out in my mind except the dealer kind of dismissed the request for a count by saying 'He has you covered'.
again this is the sort of thing which is not unreasonable to consider (in a tournament --- but is irrelevant in a cash game) and yet does not need the precision of an exact count. Is there some conclusion you would draw from a bet that is risking 27.39% of the players stack that you wouldn't draw from estimating that its 25% to 35% of his stack?
I'm not saying you aren't entitled to the information... just that many times its just not necessary to know ....