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12-04-2009 , 07:49 PM
I was playing last night and an old man sat down next to me. I watched him play for a few min. and thought he fit the profile of OMC, but we had not seen a waitress yet. A few min. later he ordered from the waitress...coffee, a slight smile showed on my face, then he told how he wanted it....Black. The smile increased. lol
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12-04-2009 , 08:32 PM
I think I might be the can't last an orbit guy. Even though I moved up to can't last the hour guy. Sometimes I double up. How to improve on this. Its not that I have something better to do, I just want to beat the traffic and look like I didn't loose any money even though I did!!!!
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12-04-2009 , 08:43 PM
OMC is still da best
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12-04-2009 , 10:14 PM
"BMS’s have a fold to 3bet of about 1.8%, a decision they usually only make when they are receiving an important phone call on their blackberry. "


Sooooooo true.

I'd also add that they are nocturnal, usually arriving to the table slightly drunk, and shortly after the main casino club has closed for the night, assuming they are able to avoid the blackjack tables. They always buy in with a nontraditional array of chips - at 1/2 for example, they will usually sit down and place a black (100), two greens (25), four reds (5), and a couple of whites (1) in front of them. They will refuse all requests to normalize chip types. If they are somehow not felted in the first 90 minutes, they will then pick up what remains of their odd array of chips and try to get rid of them at the blackjack tables.
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12-06-2009 , 06:09 PM
Once again, is there a part I thru VII?
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12-06-2009 , 06:41 PM
this is one of the best threads ever. lol, the player description is almost exactly the way i think about my opponents when i'm playing live in the 1/2, 2/5, and 5/10 range. good job op!
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12-07-2009 , 01:35 AM
This isn't a full description like the rest but maybe someone can fix it up.

How about "Poker Guy". Every live game/tournament I play there is always someone who is the Poker Guy. They take pride in the fact that they play all the local tournaments. They love sparking up conversations about upcoming tournaments or telling long stories about their trips out of town to play poker and how they almost got to the final table. Around WSOP time, they will have plenty of commentary on how Phil Ivey and Daniel Negreanu should have played a certain hand. Also, they take it upon themselves to analyze every single hand played, by every single player and tell you how you should have played your hand. They are most definitely losers at online low stakes and are 100% convinced that online poker is in some way rigged.

You will find this guy wearing poker apparel of all types and can count on him having a Full Tilt card protector that he bought with his FTPs upon dropping 2k at .25/.50

They play tight passive poker and take tons of time to make any decision requiring them to put any money in the pot, as they need to analyze each situation verbally. To counter their play, simply listen to them speak as they tell you exactly what hand they think you have and give the table a verbal analysis of the situation.
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12-07-2009 , 02:34 PM
THE MISSING PERSON

This Person will sign in with a frequent player card play an orbit or too and disappear for a long period of time. This exit begins at about the time he or she gets their free drink for which they tip the waitress a 50 cent piece. They then return and play another orbit making sure that they are still signed in an earning their $1/hr in comps. They then exit down about 3 big blinds for their session.
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12-07-2009 , 04:21 PM
hahahahha THE MISSING Person, another GREAT ONE!

How about WFHS!? "WAITING FOR HIGHER STAKES"


This player is most often found at a 2/5 NL game, or a 10-20 Hold em game. They are waiting for seats or a new 5/10 NL or 20-40 game etc to open. They buy into the game for close to the max but they also keep 2-3 racks of reds off to the side that they announce "are not in play, but just there for when they call me for the other game". SUPER LAG, in limit they 3-bet and cap every pot with suited connectors and other speculative hands. They then pump up every draw on the flop and chase down to the river. In no limit they cold call every bet and enter any pot where there is potentiall for action. They also coffeehousing/table talking with all their buddies on the other tables saying things like "warm up that seat for me tommy, and when im done taking care of this game i'll be right over etc" looks at everyone at the table in a condescending manner even though they are actually loosing money they entire time they are at the lower game. When you beat them in a pot they muck instantly, stare at you and go "trips?! myeh. good hand...." (insert like a heavy greek or eastern european accent to that line for more fun factor)
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12-08-2009 , 01:55 PM
Is there a part one through part seven of this guide?? or is this it??
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12-08-2009 , 02:31 PM
Everyone asks about parts 1-7, but no one cares about parts 9, 10, 12, 14, 16, and 18-22.
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12-08-2009 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Spaceman
Everyone asks about parts 1-7, but no one cares about parts 9, 10, 12, 14, 16, and 18-22.
I guess that's my question then...do those parts exist?
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12-08-2009 , 06:52 PM
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hahahahha THE MISSING Person, another GREAT ONE!

How about WFHS!? "WAITING FOR HIGHER STAKES"


This player is most often found at a 2/5 NL game, or a 10-20 Hold em game. They are waiting for seats or a new 5/10 NL or 20-40 game etc to open. They buy into the game for close to the max but they also keep 2-3 racks of reds off to the side that they announce "are not in play, but just there for when they call me for the other game". SUPER LAG, in limit they 3-bet and cap every pot with suited connectors and other speculative hands. They then pump up every draw on the flop and chase down to the river. In no limit they cold call every bet and enter any pot where there is potentiall for action. They also coffeehousing/table talking with all their buddies on the other tables saying things like "warm up that seat for me tommy, and when im done taking care of this game i'll be right over etc" looks at everyone at the table in a condescending manner even though they are actually loosing money they entire time they are at the lower game. When you beat them in a pot they muck instantly, stare at you and go "trips?! myeh. good hand...." (insert like a heavy greek or eastern european accent to that line for more fun factor)
Spot on the money.
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12-08-2009 , 10:22 PM
Player profile is the nuts. Great read!
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12-09-2009 , 01:14 AM
Degen Kamikaze Hyper-aggressive Maniac (DKHM)

Description. This action junkie has Redbull laced with crack flowing through his veins. He is typically aged 30 - 60, asian or foriegn (though no ethnicity is immune). He is usually happy-go-lucky and often reaches the DKHM state with the help of a few drinks. He is 'bad beats' personified. He has the power of a thousand suck outs in his little pinkie. Math means nothing to him as he has a pact with the dark gods of poker to hit one and two outers at will. His sessions are a rollercoaster ride where he can get up to over 10 buy-ins within an hour!!! But he inevitably gives it all back.

Plummage: They dress in all manner of outfits, from raggy casino jackets to normal jeans and T-shirt. But they are best recognized by their "I don't give a F**K" poker aura that radiates from their skin like light from the sun.

Poker Style and How to Play Against Them: There is no raise too big, nor cards too horrid, in which he will not play. His style is best described as Insanely Super Loose Hyper Aggressive. He will raise, re-raise, re-re-raise, etc. with ATC. It is not unheard of for a DKHM to 'call' an all-in preflop with 93o just because that is his favorite number for whatever donk reason. He loves to call, raise, and play EVERY hand to the river all the while betting like he has the nuts the whole way. However, a broken clock is right twice a day and so when a DKHM has a hand (or rivers a hand which happens ALOT) he gets paid like Tiger Woods's soon to be ex-wife since he is 100% unreadable. No one amasses as much money as a DKHM when they are catching cards since the entire table is chomping at the bit to feed from the donk trough . Also, he walks all over passive players who are uncomfortable playing for large amounts of money without top pair or better (this is his bread and butter). The only thing worse than his play is how LUCKY this S.O.B gets and his ability to put players on tilt. He could tilt a nun into bashing a baby's head open with a baseball bat.

How do you play against such a force of nature? You isolate him from the other players with a preflop raise and push any EV edge (pocket pair, AK, AQ, KQ, top pair, etc) and just hope your hand holds up. Also, there is zero need for deception, just bet and bet big when you have a hand and pray he doesn't hit his one outer. Lastly, 'any' hand you play against him you must commit all the way to the river despite the scare cards that are coming as he will bet the whole way and even bigger on the river. And no matter what, try not to correct his god-awful play.
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12-09-2009 , 10:24 AM
Guys the parts are named after my favorite roulette numbers, and so these so called "missing parts" don't exist. Also that "Waiting for Higher Stakes" profile is fantastic. Needs a better name but the write up is brilliant. May expound on that type a bit with the authors permission, in the book I'm going to write about live poker.
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12-09-2009 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by rumnchess
Guys the parts are named after my favorite roulette numbers, and so these so called "missing parts" don't exist. Also that "Waiting for Higher Stakes" profile is fantastic. Needs a better name but the write up is brilliant. May expound on that type a bit with the authors permission, in the book I'm going to write about live poker.
Something with the word "slumming" in it.
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12-09-2009 , 09:46 PM
dgiharris great write up on kamikaze. I love having those guys at my table!
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12-10-2009 , 09:35 AM
rumnchess- take the profile but can you at least give me a footnote for somethingz?! cmannnn! also, agree on the name, it was the best i could come up with!
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12-10-2009 , 06:20 PM
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Guys the parts are named after my favorite roulette numbers, and so these so called "missing parts" don't exist
Nice. American or European roulette?
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02-16-2010 , 12:20 PM
I was recently playing 1/2 at the Palm Beach Kennel Club. A gentleman, approximately 46 years old was in a hand with another man. The flop came 7 8 9. The gentleman said," I don't want to bet, but I sort of have to. He was called and the turn came the 2. The gentleman, OOP, proceeded to take a deep breath, gather his strength, and slam the table in a motion of checking. I almost had to leave the table because I was just laughing inside at the accuracy of this gentleman's action described in this post.

I have a player type of my own, one that I believe all of you can relate to.

Emotionally Affected by Every Flop Man (EAEF) (LP)

This character exists, but usually only in the most degenerate of poker clubs such as dog tracks or anywhere Floridian Casino. This man will be limping most, but not all of his hands as he does know not to play his 9-3 off suit. His back will be to the action as he turns around to order a Cherry Coke, as the flop is spread. The flop will come 8 9 10. He will become startled and nearly jump out of his seat while exclaiming," Ohhh!!" He will be frightened by that draw heavy flop. Is this a tell? Does this mean that he has the nuts? No. It means that he is legitamtely scared of that flop with regards to his hand. Someone will bet and he will insta-muck.

How to Play Against:

Obviously, this man has some board reading ability. He knows that top pair on the board described probably is no good. Therefore, while bluffing this man is not a good idea as he does not like to fold, being the degenerate he is, it is +EV to bluff scare cards. Any time you sense fear, not weakness, but fear, from tells such as a whimper or a gasp or a jump, it is the time to represent like that 3rd diamond made your flush.
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05-25-2010 , 07:27 PM
Bump.

Mod's: Can we get this thread moved over to the new Live Poker strat forum, please. There's another thread going right now delving in to player-types, and I thought this thread would be of interest.
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06-10-2010 , 09:22 PM
Great post OP. loved it after work.
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07-17-2010 , 06:21 PM
bump
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07-17-2010 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dgiharris
Degen Kamikaze Hyper-aggressive Maniac (DKHM)

Description. This action junkie has Redbull laced with crack flowing through his veins. He is typically aged 30 - 60, asian or foriegn (though no ethnicity is immune). He is usually happy-go-lucky and often reaches the DKHM state with the help of a few drinks. He is 'bad beats' personified. He has the power of a thousand suck outs in his little pinkie. Math means nothing to him as he has a pact with the dark gods of poker to hit one and two outers at will. His sessions are a rollercoaster ride where he can get up to over 10 buy-ins within an hour!!! But he inevitably gives it all back.

Plummage: They dress in all manner of outfits, from raggy casino jackets to normal jeans and T-shirt. But they are best recognized by their "I don't give a F**K" poker aura that radiates from their skin like light from the sun.

Poker Style and How to Play Against Them: There is no raise too big, nor cards too horrid, in which he will not play. His style is best described as Insanely Super Loose Hyper Aggressive. He will raise, re-raise, re-re-raise, etc. with ATC. It is not unheard of for a DKHM to 'call' an all-in preflop with 93o just because that is his favorite number for whatever donk reason. He loves to call, raise, and play EVERY hand to the river all the while betting like he has the nuts the whole way. However, a broken clock is right twice a day and so when a DKHM has a hand (or rivers a hand which happens ALOT) he gets paid like Tiger Woods's soon to be ex-wife since he is 100% unreadable. No one amasses as much money as a DKHM when they are catching cards since the entire table is chomping at the bit to feed from the donk trough . Also, he walks all over passive players who are uncomfortable playing for large amounts of money without top pair or better (this is his bread and butter). The only thing worse than his play is how LUCKY this S.O.B gets and his ability to put players on tilt. He could tilt a nun into bashing a baby's head open with a baseball bat.

How do you play against such a force of nature? You isolate him from the other players with a preflop raise and push any EV edge (pocket pair, AK, AQ, KQ, top pair, etc) and just hope your hand holds up. Also, there is zero need for deception, just bet and bet big when you have a hand and pray he doesn't hit his one outer. Lastly, 'any' hand you play against him you must commit all the way to the river despite the scare cards that are coming as he will bet the whole way and even bigger on the river. And no matter what, try not to correct his god-awful play.
I got extremely drunk and played this style for about 12 hours recently

It was very fun
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