Ruling regarding "hidden" chips - Page 3 - Poker Card Room

several players including myself keep larger chips on the bottom of the front stack, making them harder to walk off with.

unfortunately over the last 25+ yrs in poker rooms I have seen a dozen times where A player has large chips on top, goes to the rest room and

someone walks up, sits down, grabs the large chips off the top to toss in a red with the missed blind buttons then looks around and says oops this isn't my table and gets up and walks away with the large chips before anyone knows what's happening.
if a player is concerned about hidden chips they can ask the dealer before betting . I see this routinely.

Nothing wrong with putting your larger chips on the bottom if you need you get up and leave. Or even telling the dealer, I need to leave for a bit and I'm taking 2 blacks with me which I'll put back on the table upon my return (provided the casino allows this). But your large chips should never be on the bottom while playing. They need to be out front or on top.

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05-18-2018 , 02:35 PM

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Fore

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Originally Posted by snowman

several players including myself keep larger chips on the bottom of the front stack, making them harder to walk off with.

So you do it wrong...seriously please keep large denoms on top or alone in front alone while in play. Take them with you. Just be sure to bring them back. There was a no rule you have to leave them. They just have to remain a in play

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05-18-2018 , 04:01 PM

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WateryBoil

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ya i personally take the $500s with me ill add back on if needed but i aint taking any risks. usually at 2/5 this isnt ever an issue anyway, only when i play 5/10

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05-19-2018 , 11:31 AM

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albedoa

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Originally Posted by snowman

several players including myself keep larger chips on the bottom of the front stack, making them harder to walk off with.

I hear ya man, the banana peel on my kitchen counter was attracting fruit flies so I demolished my house. lol if you are going to leave your larger chips when you get up anyway, you could move them to the bottom of your stack beforehand for the exact same benefit.

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05-19-2018 , 04:27 PM

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Kelvis

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Originally Posted by WateryBoil

ya i personally take the $500s with me ill add back on if needed but i aint taking any risks. usually at 2/5 this isnt ever an issue anyway, only when i play 5/10

Does nobody ever make remarks about it? I know in my casino they would.

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05-19-2018 , 06:57 PM

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Ray Zee

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forever in the big games people took their cash with them and sometimes big chips. also almost everybody kept their large chips in a separate stack or on the bottom of the next biggest one. never had any problems.

never put your big chips on top. only bad things can happen. like you bet them by mistake instead of grabbing small chips. or spilling them on the floor.
all that is required is that they be in view.

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05-19-2018 , 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray Zee

forever in the big games people took their cash with them and sometimes big chips. also almost everybody kept their large chips in a separate stack or on the bottom of the next biggest one. never had any problems.
never put your big chips on top. only bad things can happen. like you bet them by mistake instead of grabbing small chips. or spilling them on the floor.
all that is required is that they be in view.

The actual terms are: "player is entitled to a clear view of an opponent’s chips" and "Higher denomination chips should be easily visible" (emphasis added).

A single black on the bottom of a stack of green in the 8 seat in neither clear view nor easily visible from the 3 seat. Now 1 green on top of 12 black is a different case.

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05-20-2018 , 04:27 AM

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A few times I saw the same player at the Borgata playing 1/2 with a single stack of chips which included fewer than 20 red $5 chips and single black $100 chip on the bottom. The entire stack was placed on top of his players' card.

Anyone want to guess what color his players' card was?

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05-20-2018 , 07:39 AM

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snowman

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Originally Posted by albedoa

I hear ya man, the banana peel on my kitchen counter was attracting fruit flies so I demolished my house. lol exact same benefit.

hear that

my neighbor was a smoker and
whenever his car ashtray got full he would buy a new car.

seriously thou

greens and blacks under whites in front are visible
and I've heard players ask for a better view or
"how much do you have" routinely.
where cash plays players always put it in back you don't see cash on top of chips anywhere I've been

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05-20-2018 , 09:47 AM

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psandman

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Originally Posted by Ray Zee

If you have 1 large chip and its a similar color to the stack you bury it at the bottom off the stack it may not really be visible.

But when you have 5 of them anyone complaining about them being at the bottom is just looking for a reason to complain.

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05-20-2018 , 11:08 AM

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sure but is it really such a big problem. the other players if it is in a front stack can look and see it. and dealers can point it out if its not viewable easily.

every player can ask when getting in a hand with someone if they have big chips out of sight. thats part of the game. just like if he has bills. if the pot is getting to the size it might matter than you ask how many bills he has. or you do that whenever you sit down in the game.
now if a large chip materializes out of no where than its the floors call and then that should tend to go against the angle shooter.

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05-20-2018 , 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Goud21

So, this is where the ruling gets ridiculous:

In trying to get fancy, he probably came up with the only truly and undebatably wrong call he could possibly make. You could make an argument for virtually everything else, but not this nonsense.

See now madlex?

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05-24-2018 , 04:49 PM

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WateryBoil

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Originally Posted by Kelvis

Does nobody ever make remarks about it? I know in my casino they would.

sometimes jokingly, but i just smile and do what i want.

I make them aware of what im going to do 100% regardless of what they think of it, so nobody asks why im adding chips back 30 mins later.

i didnt used to. after hearing the stories on 2+2 of chip theft ive started to for my own peace of mind.

Also in the casinos i play, the big chips MUST be on top, people know this and will hassle you until you do it.

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05-27-2018 , 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelvis

Does nobody ever make remarks about it? I know in my casino they would.

They shouldn't as long as you are very clear and open when you take them and just as obvious when you bring them back.

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