1/3 NL game at 5 in the morning and players agree game will break after one more round. Villain is super nitty woman limit player who just moved to NL game about half an hour earlier playing 3/6 limit.

I have KJ on J high board. On river I bet $10. She says "here's your ten and I will raise you ten" with $10 in chips in her hand. She then puts out the $10 and then grabs the additional $10 and puts it out.

String or not? Her intent was pretty clear to raise.

That is a string bet.

Saying her intent was clearly to raise is pretty meaningless in this context. You say her intent was to raise because she says so but that is true of every string bet.

If intent is relevant at all it's relevant at the time of first action. And her first action looks to me like an intent to call. The first words she says "here's your $10" indicate a call of $10 and she has $10 in her hand. At that moment you can't say her intent was clearly to raise.

it's basically just like saying "I call. And I raise".

It's $10 ffs, don't be a nit.

Are you asserting that:

a. "here's your" is a poker magic word/phrase like "call" is?
b. the fact that it's all one sentence is irrelevant, and you have to cut off her statement in the middle, ending in $10?

Regarding a:
-What if I said "f_ your $10, here's 80 on top?"

-What if I said "here's my giant stack, buddy. $80 on top?" Is that an all in?

-"Here's my new Rolex." in a table-stakes game. Do I lose the Rolex if called and beaten?

If she hasn't physically acted yet, and "here's" isn't a magic word, and she's in the middle of her sentence, I have a hard time seeing the string.

I may be in the minority here, but I'm not convinced that this is a string bet. If the whole thing is stated in one quick phrase without any pausing, I might be inclined to let the raise stand. I would likely add a warning to be careful with certain types of verbal bets because they could be interpreted in a way that goes against your intent.

There are no magic words. But the words spoken in the context they were spoken clearly indicate that she is putting in a call.




The argument that it's all 9ne statement and should not be viewed as 2 separate statements would be more plausible if she had $20 in her hand and made one motion ... But her physical actions here do not support the idea that this is poorly worded single action.

That doesn't sound like a call to me. But if you were tossing out $10 as you said the first part I might consider that a call. I might have to be there to see a hear it to judge.

I don't know? How big is your stack?

are you playing in a game where your Rolex is part of your stake?

Words are interpretted in context. Change the context change the meaning.

This is true for what you refer to as the magic word "call". Suppose i am talking with a friend who is leaving .... Just after my opponent bets a in I say to my friend "call me later." Did I call the bet? Of course not. I said call but in a context that is not a poker action.

You have to look at the whole phrase and in the context in which it was presented. Historically statements like this have been held to a call since they can be used as an angle shoot to see an opponent's reaction to the first part.

"I see your bet, and I raise you on top." Clear string .. but not in the movies.

I would be more inclined to allow the raise if V had the full $20 'presented' during the comment. Your point is that V completed the phrase prior to any forward motion of the chips and that's not an invalid point. The issue is that the industry has long ruled this 'exact' spot as a call solely based on the first half of the phrase.

Looking at your 'FU' comment, I'd be more inclined to rule that a raise since it's not specifically 'presenting' the call as stated. It's more of a derogatory comment about the size of the bet IMO than a call of the bet.

"Here is your .. " "I see your .." are specific enough to qualify as a call.

I can certainly see some Dealers allowing the action, but I would expect most Floors to rule against. GL

This is a classic string bet.
"Here's your $10...." is a call, regardless of what follows. (This is the same as saying, " I call your 10 and raise 10 more.").
Almost every verbal string bet has an "and" in the middle. Almost every string bet is actually intended as a raise, and everyone knows it. They are still string bets. (Whether or not to make an issue out of $10 is another matter.)

I`ve never actually seen somebody do this as an angle. It`s always been somebody that wanted to raise that had seen too many cowboy movies. Still a string bet though.

If she takes 10 off her stack and says "Here's your ten." and grabs ten more before any forward motion...

What if she say's "Here's your ten." and puts the chips back in her stack.
Is she forced to bet?

It would be equivalent to saying "I call" and not putting out any money.

However the argument would be "but those aren't action words" so you would get a different ruling depending on where and when you play, probably favoring her.

With no forward motion?

If she made her speech before any forward motion I would allow the raise.

If she was holding the $10 over the betting area, she has called.

It's certainly a string bet.
It's also only $10 more.
It's also 5 o'clock in the morning.

IDK , maybe a polite correction on string bets from the dealer and play on in this particular situation.

Are you all assuming there was some forward motion?

From OP:

To me forward motion isn't important. When a player facing a $10 bet picks up $10 and says "here's your ten" that sounds like a call to me.

She can't say "Here's your ten." and put them right back on top of her stack and tank a bit more?

I'm picturing her breaking off $10 and holding it there an inch above her stack and giving her speech before any forward motion.

I don't think it makes any sense to say Here is your $10..... And not have it mean I call your $10.....

Unless there has been some other conversation at the table that would make this make sense.

I thought for sure it was gonna be a string bet... but the discussion now has me swayed.

No forward movement. No "call".
One statement, then action to match the statement (although in 2 moves).

Limit player. Last orbit. Late late late night (so much so that it's early morning). I'm not worried about an angle here. Maybe I tell player that their words may be confusing and ruled differently another time?

The purpose of this rule is to eliminate scenarios that could be used for angling or deliberate miscommunication to gain an unfair advantage. It doesn't matter that there are some situations that the rule prohibits that are innocuous, you have to have a clear, sharply defined rule.

As soon as a player does any action that indicates a call (and there is not a room in the world that wouldn't rule 'Here's your $10' while throwing in $10 a call) her action is complete. It doesn't matter that, in this case, she wasn't trying to angle, and everyone knew what she intended. you have to have clear rules.

If the dealer wanted to use their judgement and issue a warning, that is fine, but this is absolutely and illegal string bet.

Table talk while tanking?

I don’t know what I’d rule. I feel like “here’s your 10” is just gibberish... good luck trying to hold someone to a call if that’s all they said even if they had the money in their hand like they were getting ready to call. if she said raise 10 before she threw in the 10$ or moved it forward it should be a raise. But timing on these things makes it impossible to judge and players always lie about these minute things to influence decisions in their favor

Action is checked to me. I point at a $100 chip in my hand and say "one hundred". It is your position that what I've said amounts to nothing more than gibberish?

If I picked up a chip and told someone who is watching this is worth 100$ that’d be a raise/bet to you? An amount by itself is very different then saying it in a sentence. If I ask is that 10$ it certainly wouldn’t be a call as I ask if the bet is x all the time to the dealer. Your argument is that any sentence that contains an amount in it is automatically a wager of that amount?

If you’re saying in the context that’s a call I can see that but the exact same phrase “here’s your x” has been muttered before as someone was tanking and separating his stack to see how much he had left and I doubt anyone would have ruled that a call so your kinda stuck with an ambiguous phrase. Personally I think it’s just gibberish and I’d ignore it and warn them not to keep saying ambiguous stuff when it’s your action as it’s misleading.

If the floor is called this should absolutely be ruled a call.

If the floor is called, I hope it's not by someone who wonders where da fish at and why poker is dying.

The proper response is to let her raise but explain that next time she should start with "I raise" and put out all the chips in one motion.

And then fold because she has you beat ldo.