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I suppose the inflection in the voice might make this sound like a reluctant call. "OK here's your 100."
But without the other player insta-tabling their hand or some forward motion, I'm not forcing the call.

I'm picturing someone taunting the player saying "Here's your 100." while holding or pointing at chips.

IMO with no forward motion he hasn't acted yet.

Or holding or pointing at something else haha.

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08-16-2018 , 01:43 PM

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chillrob

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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518

Also the word "ten" when the bet is already ten isn't a binding call. You bet ten, I say "ten? How about $100" and stick $100 in, that's a raise.

Maybe, but I know you're a douchebag, and if I were the floor I would allow the raise but warn you that if you continue to be a douchebag you may be asked to leave.

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08-16-2018 , 01:58 PM

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Black Aces 518

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LOL really? I don't think that rises to that level and have seen similar statements several times and never did anyone object or call a floor, much less get threatened with being 86'd.

Fine, take some of the attitude out then, "No way I can let you see the next card for ten, sorry, make it 100."

The bottom line is it isn't a string raise unless the first statement+motion would constitute a binding call.

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08-16-2018 , 03:01 PM

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In your earlier example, the first statement ("ten") plus motion would make it a binding call.

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08-16-2018 , 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chillrob

In your earlier example, the first statement ("ten") plus motion would make it a binding call.

That makes no sense. The motion is sticking $100 into the pot which occurred after I said $100.

Just like in OP, the villain put chips in only after she said raise.

And in neither instance did the person say or do something that is a binding call before announcing raise or announcing a higher amount.

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08-16-2018 , 04:46 PM

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I didn't say that there actually was a binding call in either your example or the OP. Just if there had been a motion along with the first statement, it would be a call, which is what you said would denote a string raise. My point was that your definition of a string raise is very poor.

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08-16-2018 , 05:04 PM

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Black Aces 518

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Actually, that's the exact literal definition of a string raise, where you do something that is a call and then try to raise.

The whole POINT of the string raise rule is that you can't confuse someone into thinking you called, and then raise based on the reaction to that. How can I confuse someone into thinking I called if I didn't do anything that is a binding call?

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08-19-2018 , 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518

Wrong on so many accounts. I can string facing no action. In fact this is probably the most common string for newbies. I can also string facing action never call successfully raise and still be a string. You definitely don’t have to have a call involved in a string

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08-20-2018 , 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Fore

The discussion was about a raise facing a bet. But to address the pedantry, to define a string bet or raise for all situations: you would need to have taken a binding action and then try to take another.

So if it's on you and you throw a $25 chip, then another, then another, that's a string bet because you throwing the first $25 is a binding bet.

In the OP no binding action occurred until she announced raise. After announcing raise, she put the amount of the call in, then the amount of the raise (which she had also verbalized) in the pot in one motion.

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08-27-2018 , 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518

You claimed it was "the exact, literal definition". So as to pedantry: pot, kettle, black. It is neither exact or literal. As you described, it is not even the most common type do string action.

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09-02-2018 , 03:05 AM

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He said he will raise, before putting any money in the pot, so it is legit, not a string bet. It might be an angle but there are no rules against variety.

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09-04-2018 , 10:21 PM

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I run this joke regularly at my 5-10 table when I am BB or last to act.

"I will seeeee your xxxxx bet (put out the call).....(reach back to get chips)......and I will RAISE you $yyyyyy more!!!!!!!

Since the table is pretty reg based, they get the joke, after which I say, "Pop quiz, what movie is that from?"

Speaking of which, what movie is it from?