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07-21-2011 , 06:17 PM
Early in a tourney, blinds 50/100, everyone started w/T8,000.

EP player raises to 300, gets 4 callers (MP, BT, SB, BB).

Flop xyz, I forget but 2 paint and an uncoordinated card. Check, check, bet 1,100.

Here's where it gets interesting. Dealer pulls in 100 to the pot accidentally and leaves the 1,000 in front of raiser. MP calls 1,000. When it gets to button, he asks EP "1,000 to go?"

EP player says "I made it 1,100." Dealer counts down pot and, indeed, there's an extra 100 in the pot, presumably from the original flop-bet. Dealer advises bet is 1,100.

BT, SB, BB fold. MP raises a stink that he'll call 1,000 but not 1,100. Floor is called.

Robert's isn't specific on this (sect 14.12), so I'm wondering how "most" rooms handle this and if it matters if they're WPT or WSOP affiliated.
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07-21-2011 , 06:22 PM
Personally I think MP should have to call 1100. It's one big blind and it's 1.2% of his stack, this is no way a significant misunderstanding.
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07-21-2011 , 06:24 PM
So there's about $3600 in the pot and MP is crying like a bitch over 100? I hope the floor told him he can put in the 100 or fold and forfeit the 1300 he already put in.
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07-21-2011 , 06:25 PM
10% difference isn't a "gross misunderstanding" of the bet size.

Furthermore, if he didn't speak up until everybody else folded, he has weakened an already weak case.

Put in the 100 and let's see the Turn.

Add: How do you "accidentally" pull in 100 here?
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07-21-2011 , 06:26 PM
This is not even a decision. He calls 1100.
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07-21-2011 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle
10% difference isn't a "gross misunderstanding" of the bet size.

Furthermore, if he didn't speak up until everybody else folded, he has weakened an already weak case.

Put in the 100 and let's see the Turn.

Add: How do you "accidentally" pull in 100 here?
He may have been raising a stink before the folds, who knows.

I'm guessing dealer thought the extra 100 was part of the blinds, as they were on the seats 2&3 of a 10 seat table. Who knows, really.
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07-21-2011 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by FourthWin
He may have been raising a stink before the folds, who knows.

I'm guessing dealer thought the extra 100 was part of the blinds, as they were on the seats 2&3 of a 10 seat table. Who knows, really.
He also could be creating a stink holding the nuts.

You said the SB and BB called. Plus, the dealer should have centered the bets before putting out the flop.
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07-21-2011 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle
He also could be creating a stink holding the nuts.
Agreed. If I'm the floor, I'd be sorely tempted to say, "Fine, you fold. But I'm going to take a look at these cards after the hand is over. If the decision was that close that you had a right to complain about it being $1000 vs. $1100, you'll continue playing. If not, you're sitting out 2 rounds." If he complains saying he wants to play, I'd say, "I guess I have you by the NUTS."

Probably why I should never be a floor.
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07-21-2011 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle
He also could be creating a stink holding the nuts.

You said the SB and BB called. Plus, the dealer should have centered the bets before putting out the flop.
I really don't think it was a collusion-type thing, if that's what you're getting at. If it's not, what kind of angle is he shooting by begging to fold with the nuts?

Again, I'm not at all sure how the extra 100 made it into the pot. The floor's decision was based, in part, on the dealer's error, fwiw.
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07-21-2011 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by FourthWin
I really don't think it was a collusion-type thing, if that's what you're getting at. If it's not, what kind of angle is he shooting by begging to fold with the nuts?

Again, I'm not at all sure how the extra 100 made it into the pot. The floor's decision was based, in part, on the dealer's error, fwiw.
He knows the house rules will require him to call. He makes a big stink so you think he has a weak hand. Therefore, you get it in on the next street, he shows the nuts and you're walking away.
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07-21-2011 , 08:31 PM
Floor should confirm, "so you fold if it's 1100 and call if it's 1000?" Then give the original bettor the option to make the bet 1100 or 1000.

Why I too shouldn't be a floor.
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07-21-2011 , 11:31 PM
Slap on the wrist for dealer.

KITN for MP.

Action should have been halted (no folding until MP made the full call).


What to do now... MP can call 100 or forfeit the 1000 already in.
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