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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
I don't mind reshuffling a premature turn or river, but I'm loathe to do it on the flop. The player has a duty to stop the dealer from putting out a card before the action is complete (I know 99% of you don't like this, but tough luck, this is your responsibility whether you like it or not!).
I understand that it's tough to do that on the turn and river, a dealer can snap those out pretty quickly, and sometimes a player is helpless to stop it--but a flop? Nuh uh.
Maybe the UK has different dealing procedures than USA#1, but over here, you can't snap out an unexpected flop, short of complete and utter dereliction of the duty I described in my opening sentence.
This ruling in the OP that no one can follow? Makes perfect sense to me. You don't get to look at the flop, and THEN say, "Hey, let's back this up." You had plenty of time/notice to prevent this, and you chose not to. The flop stands. When you let this flop happen, you effectively checked your option.
As for the rest, that the all-in was binding: I'm giving OP "gross misunderstanding of the action" protection. He clearly thought he was betting last round, not this one. Take back that bet, it never happened.
Of course, if this room enforces a betting line, or doesn't understand finer points like "gross misunderstanding protection", the floorman's hands might be tied here.
I would agree with what you say here if this stuff applied to the OP, but it clearly doesn't. OP says he was starting to say "all in" and moving his chips BEFORE the dealer even started to burn and put out the flop. What else is he supposed be able to do to stop a dealer from acting, if he is already saying and doing that? If the dealer isn't paying attention to that stuff, he is not going to pay attention and have time to stop himself from dealing if OP somehow interrupts himself from saying "all in" and suddenly says "dealer, stop".
It certainly is annoying and bad that the flop needs to be redealt here, but that seems to be the only option. Even that is bad for the OP though, because his villain now gets to know some of the cards left in the deck before he makes his decision to call or not. So even if the floor makes the perfect ruling for this situation, the dealer has still screwed things up and harmed OP.
YTF, I have played at your table, and you are a very good dealer. But sometimes I don't think you realize how crappy some other dealers actually are.