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Old 01-19-2019, 11:30 PM   #51
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Re: Regs who refuse to provide a player's card for comps or jackpots

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So people who play house games don't claim free money because it's -EV? We're such born suckers ....
For minor normal poker prizes they would prefer to keep the ones they get from playing degen games. A slot player can pretty easily get 5 figures a month in “free” slot play. And since most places avg play over three months even a single poker session can hurt for awhile. I have seen it via my wife. Not that much free play but four figures. The flour that helped her by putting her in from the desk was gone shortly after. This may have been part that.
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Old 01-24-2019, 08:34 PM   #52
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Hosts at the Bellagio literally tell some people to not clock in at the poker room. They know what's up and have ways to work around it but it really does mess with how Bellagio computers rate you and that limits the packages the hosts can offer.

Good chance the hosts are just being lazy but poker room comps just aren't worth risking free Bellagio suites and free dinners at Michael Mina.
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Old 01-29-2019, 10:51 PM   #53
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So those of that ONLY play poker at the casino are low life chumps. Take our $1/h comp
And like it.
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Old 01-30-2019, 09:45 AM   #54
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Re: Regs who refuse to provide a player's card for comps or jackpots

At my home casino you earn Player points by the hour in the Poker Room that go towards your Gold/Black status for some comps/discounts but I don't think poker affects your 'average bet' and other stats that show up on your win/loss form at year end.

I could be wrong, but I don't play much in the pits either. I've heard plenty of Players say "Just go play 5 hands of $100 BJ and see how your comps change." GL
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Old 01-31-2019, 05:12 PM   #55
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A large but not whale slot player turning in their card to play poker will negatively impact his theoretical in most systems.

Just like those five hands of BJ will change your offers, so will a couple of hours at poker for a big slot player. But the big move will be opposite direction.
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Old 02-04-2019, 03:13 PM   #56
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A large but not whale slot player turning in their card to play poker will negatively impact his theoretical in most systems.

Just like those five hands of BJ will change your offers, so will a couple of hours at poker for a big slot player. But the big move will be opposite direction.
Where is this true? I know for a fact that MGM properties consider poker a completely separate entity when it comes to your average bet and ratings.
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Old 02-04-2019, 03:32 PM   #57
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The latest one I heard recently really surprised me. I think the guy is overly paranoid, but it was pretty interesting. One of the local casinos here doesn't do any comps, but they've started tracking hours. If you accumulate 150 hours in a quarter or 240 hours in a quarter, you reach a different player status level. Both levels receive a free hotel room once a month for the following quarter (weekends excluded at the 150 hour level). Then, anyone qualifying for either level is entered in a $30,000 free roll tournament (you start the free roll with more chips if you reach the 250 hour level). They claim other perks will be coming along, but the program just started 4 months ago and we haven't seen much else to go with it.

That being said, one of the regular players the other day said he doesn't want to get a players card because he's worried about his home address being in the system. Not so much because he's worried about his wife knowing he's playing poker (she comes with him to the casino sometimes, she knows he gambles), but because he's worried that as long as he's scanned in at the table, someone could access the database and be able to look up his address. They could then use the fact that he's there to go attempt to rob his home. Basically saying, if he's scanned in at the table, they know he's not home.

Personally, I think this is a little over paranoid, but it's something I never truly considered. If someone has access to the whole system, if they know you're there, they also know where you're not
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Old 02-05-2019, 06:05 AM   #58
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I won't sign up to any casino rewards programmes for any amount of money cause I am banned from entering the casino as part of my parole (the casino don't care though).

But I can firmly say as someone who never had a rewards card anyway, if I weren't in this situation and I could win $1800 I would sign up quicker than a teenager on a camgirl site. It's just not worth the risk getting dinged at the moment though
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Old 02-10-2019, 11:15 PM   #59
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The latest one I heard recently really surprised me. I think the guy is overly paranoid, but it was pretty interesting. One of the local casinos here doesn't do any comps, but they've started tracking hours. If you accumulate 150 hours in a quarter or 240 hours in a quarter, you reach a different player status level. Both levels receive a free hotel room once a month for the following quarter (weekends excluded at the 150 hour level). Then, anyone qualifying for either level is entered in a $30,000 free roll tournament (you start the free roll with more chips if you reach the 250 hour level). They claim other perks will be coming along, but the program just started 4 months ago and we haven't seen much else to go with it.

That being said, one of the regular players the other day said he doesn't want to get a players card because he's worried about his home address being in the system. Not so much because he's worried about his wife knowing he's playing poker (she comes with him to the casino sometimes, she knows he gambles), but because he's worried that as long as he's scanned in at the table, someone could access the database and be able to look up his address. They could then use the fact that he's there to go attempt to rob his home. Basically saying, if he's scanned in at the table, they know he's not home.

Personally, I think this is a little over paranoid, but it's something I never truly considered. If someone has access to the whole system, if they know you're there, they also know where you're not
Likewise to lie in wait for you at your home if you are a high or even medium player and they see you win big.
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:06 PM   #60
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Yes. There is a database called Gypsies. I don't know if that's how it is spelled but that's how it's pronounced at least. In my state they do it anyway. Could be a state-by-state thing. I know we at least run it through the system whenever there is a taxable event for a poker win, such as a Bad Beat or a large enough tournament win.
I actually found out more detail about this. It's through the U.S. Department of Healthcare and Family Services. A website called Gaming Intercept Program Certification System (GIPCS) is used by certain casino representatives to search for anyone delinquent in support payments. The search is triggered anytime a taxable event happens and a W2G is generated based on different types of casino winnings.
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:15 PM   #61
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the U.S. Department of Healthcare and Family Services.
I don't there is any such US Department.
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:34 PM   #62
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I don't there is any such US Department.
Not a Federal program. Several states (Google notes IL, CO and OH but I'm sure there are more.) participate in the GIPCS, but the Federal Government has no authority over things like Child Support other than if you cross state lines to evade, the FBI gets involved.
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:37 PM   #63
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I don't there is any such US Department.
The specific program named appears to be a State of Illinois program. However, other jurisdictions have similar screening tools.
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Old 02-11-2019, 06:54 PM   #64
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You're right. I mistakenly added the "U.S." part. Probably just because normally if you're talking about a government department, it's typically a US Department. My mistake.
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Old 02-11-2019, 06:58 PM   #65
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Re: Regs who refuse to provide a player's card for comps or jackpots

Comps are one thing ... but for a 'sizable' jackpot most venues will force you to get a Player's card or at least show your ID and fill out paperwork.

One casino I go to requires you to have a Player's card 'before' the hand starts to be eligible for and promotions. That doesn't mean you have to be logged into the system at the table, but you must already be in their system to get paid.

Speaking of the Child Support/Friend of Court issue .. A Maryland Player had her SSN put into the 'checking' data base incorrectly and it came back with her owing a bunch of support .. And they kept her money that night! It was in the Low Content Chat thread and I'm not sure what the resolution, if any, was as of yet. I'm sure Google would spit it out .. GL
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Old 02-11-2019, 11:02 PM   #66
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She got paid
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Old 02-12-2019, 01:41 PM   #67
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For normal comps, they may be getting much better comps from playing in the pits. In some casinos, using your card to play poker will tank your rating so you'd actually lose. That, or they simply don't like being tracked and don't want the free food anyway.

For $1800 it could be any number of things, very few of them innocent. Custody agreement might prohibit gambling, could be behind on alimony/child support, maybe they're on parole or house arrest and aren't supposed to be there, they could be underage, undocumented alien, or wanted by law enforcement.
I was getting much better comps at a resort I loved to visit, until I was a recognized poker player. I didn't know. It's a five hour drive. I was getting three free nights per week and money to gamble. It dropped to '0' free nights and a $5 slot coupon.
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Old 02-13-2019, 06:25 PM   #68
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It actually makes sense. If all they know is you played 5 hours of slots, they think they can get you to play 19 more hours.

If you got 5 hours of slots and 10 hours of poker, you look very different.
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Old 02-14-2019, 11:10 AM   #69
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Where is this true? I know for a fact that MGM properties consider poker a completely separate entity when it comes to your average bet and ratings.
Can anyone else confirm this?
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