has anyone seen how casinos/wsop/tda will handle double board bomb-pot misdeals? premature turns/rivers, etc...

The exact same as any premature turn/river. Why would it be any different?

I dont think it should be. just wondering if someone has seen something different

I doubt the Dealers Handbook has been published/released as of yet. But yes, it should be the same as any other NL/PLO spot.

Not sure if the NL/PLO BP tourney is 8 or 9 handed .. but you do run into some obvious 'math' issues should there be a spot on Turn/River just because there are so few cards left in the stub so by default there's a much higher chance that the card will return to the Board.

Misdeal 'rules' really shouldn't change.
If the top Board comes off fine but the 2nd is a four card, then the first stays and you deal with the 2nd.

TDA has adopted that there's a 'wash/shuffle' no matter what the current street is for pre-exposures .. so be it. Why would we try to preserve the 2nd Board if there's an issue with the 1st? Is there a Floor out there who might go that route? For sure. But the procedure change was put in place to keep things uniform across all streets.

While it is a split pot game .. it's just one game that's split, not TWO individual games using the same stub.

Just like any other spot .. make a correction for the current situation and move on. Just because there are more/different steps doesn't mean you deviate from procedure. GL


PS .. We do play 10-handed PLO at times with BP and just don't burn for the Flops. Dealers shouldn't have to burn for the Flops in the first place since there's no reason to protect the stub going to the Flop .. but try to get that through some 'poker minds'!

I’ve dealt mixed games with lots of cards and a paltry stub before. Pretty much they will try to use the entirety of the stub before they go to the discard pile. They can also use the burn cards if they are enough combined with the final stub card to put out a new turn+river.

Can you elaborate on that a bit? I’ve been under the impression the top card is burnt to protect against the back being marked / otherwise identifiable and giving an unfair advantage to someone who is aware of that. Why would that be any different on the flop than the turn or river?

It’s different because on a double board bomb you (traditionally) do not have a PF round of action, the dealer goes right to putting out the flops. So there is no need to burn before the flop since there is no benefit to knowing what the top card is.

Ah of course. Thanks.

Do any rooms actually do it this way, ending up with only 2 burns on the river?

I can safely 'pat on back' myself for starting the trend in our area. But there's also a room that will have 6 Burn Cards and use every card in the stub for a 9-handed PLO BP.

Casinos in our area don't play 10-handed cash, so for them it's more about keeping a uniform procedure for 'any' Flop. But across the abundance of Charity and Home Games a lot of the Dealers have gone to the 'no Flop Burn' scenario with little resistance from the Players.

IMO anything that can save the Dealer from 'motion' is a good thing as long as it makes sense for the game also. GL

Idk why but not burning on the flop bothers me. Although I don’t see any sense in 6 burns so maybe I’m just being arbitrary. I think part of it is just an appeal to forming good habits which isn’t so much logical as practical.

What, is there an area that actually still plays 10 handed cash game tables?

Def know some rooms that do.

I don't know of any casinos, but Card Rooms and Home Games will vary based on staff and list dynamics .. and time of day/session.

We have at least one large casino room that has 'stayed' at 8-handed .. I'm sure there's an increase in overall rake that could be calculated somewhere in there. GL