pre-tip the dealer $25 on all hand shuffles and print?

Can confirm. I very much doubt this happens in any regulated room today.

I want you to know the environment you are dealing with. I am not saying you are wrong, I am not saying you are wrong to speak up. Far from it. I just want you to know what casinos employees have to deal with all of the time.

As a dealer who has never dealt a crooked hand in my life, I don't think I have ever gone more than a day or two without a player complaining how I am hurting/cheating them with bad cards. I have had players go to the floorperson on me because their aces got cracked twice. There are players who will literally get up when I sit down because they think I have it out for them because they have lost when I was dealing to them in the past.

Again, I want to make it very clear, I have always dealt honestly and have never cheated in my life.

Floorpeople deal with the same ****. Everyday they hear about some crazy beat story and have had a player insist some dealer is cheating.

Since most people have so little understanding of variance and probability, this can mostly be ignored. In my experience 99.99+ discussions of shady play have absolutely nothing to do with cheating.

What I am saying is that given the percentages, the noise overwhelmes the signal. A floorperson can ignore every cheating accusation and be right 99%+ of the time.

Furthermore let's look at incentives. Even if you have reasonable suspicions of cheating, you are asking a floorperson or manager to create work for their boss. No one likes to create work for their boss, especially when the odds show it to be overwhelmingly BS. You are asking for a floorperson to go out on a limb and accuse a dealer of cheating. This will involve a high level manager to do tons of research with video replay in order to fire someone they probably have a relationship with. No one will want to stick their neck out for that.

Even more Furthermore, as you describe it, the dealer has no incentive to cheat. You said yourself it is random. The only reason I can think of for a dealer to do this is that he deals in a private game that requires him to deal coolers on occasion, sobhe uses his public time in a casinos as a sort of practice session in dealing coolers figuring the risk is low.

Basically there isn't much you can do, even if right because it is near impossible to overcome the noise of regulars whining.

If I was in your position there is a couple of things I would do. I would pay careful attention and every time the dealer in question hand shuffled and I would loudly sit out the hand. Even if in a blind. If I am the small blind and I saw a hand shuffle I would pull my money back and make it clear I am not in the hand.

Furthermore, I would loudly explain why i am not playing the hand (because of hand shuffle). I would predict a bad beat/cooler as the cards are being dealt. This should wake up the dealer to the fact that his shenanigans are under the spotlight Furthermore other players will start to pay attention to the fact that the dealer is hand shuffling for no logical reason and if the bad beats/coolers continue they will catch on.

Basically loudly shine the spotlight on hand shuffled hands.

I would say it's just confirmation bias for one reason... economics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost

You say the dealer is doing it to you out of spite. If he were a mechanic with enough skill to rig a full table holdem game with coolers and is willing to do it, he wouldn't be taking that risk for the reward of pissing you off. He would take that risk to earn a lot more money funneling to his crew and being very careful not to cooler the same person twice.

FWIW, maybe 15 years ago there was somebody who crushed casino poker games in Northern Germany for two years. Everyone thought he was the biggest luckbox ever because they could never catch him even though everyone was extremely suspicious. Back then everybody had their own poker blog and basically every known German pro played against him and posted about the guy who was always winning especially with baby sets.

They finally caught him on video when he messed up trying to get the cards from his sleeve back into the muck during an unscheduled counting of the deck. It's extremely difficult to catch someone with perfect mechanics, even on video.

What you look like? I play there a lot.. would like to be shown who ya talking about. Is that cool?

Consider that this was about 40 years ago and my memory isn't that good. That said, I think it took a few weeks to get the basics - bearing in mind that we're talking about 40 hours a week dealing.

I would add that if a camera was focused on the dealer, I believe it could be flagged fairly easily, as it wasn't a proper riffle. So, even if lowball were still popular, I would consider it inadvisable.

My main point was that, where money is concerned, you can depend on people finding ways to line their own pockets, the smarter ones doing it in a way that makes detection difficult.

This is exactly right and why overall this post is pointless I may even delete it. The only solution I've already implemented before making this post is to literally stop playing when he hand shuffles. My win rate has already gone up significantly thanks to this its incredibly unfortunate it took this long for me to understand what was going on as I was also one of the suckers that would never believe this was happening in a million years.

Can we meet? I'd love to know which of the maybe 7-8 dealers (from your clues) you're talking about. I'd like to leave it private between me and you. Message me on here. Thanks.

Grunch. I don't think OP sounds crazy. Very high rates of bad beats while dealer unilaterally decides to manual shuffle is mostly enough for me, would obviously need to scrutinize more data.

TBF, I am still not even sure I agree with you that cheating is going on. Nothing personal, it is just that there is so much noise that it is hard for a legitimate signal to get through. It is probably even harder when you are forced to describe it online I print rather than talk about it or use visual cues.

That said if I was in your position, I would think one of the most important things I could do would be vocal about why I am sitting out. I wouldn't be an A-hole about it. If anything it would come off as more superstitious. I would just comment about how it seems to me that everytime he hand shuffles there ends up being a cooler.

This does two things: one, it alerts other players to the fact that he is hand shuffling. Quite a few will wonder why he is hand shuffling when he doesn't need to. Two, other people might start seeing the same pattern you are that hand shuffle = cooler.

I believe it is not just smart to avoid sketchy situations yourself, but to alert others to them as well. The cleaner the games run the better it is for everyone.

I would do it politely though and not make any direct accusations I wasn't ready to back up with heavy ammo.

On the one hand, he has been doing this for years. On the other hand he has dealt a bad beat on 39 of 39 times he has hand shuffled. So either he has hand shuffled only 39 times in however many years he has done this, in which case that is a fairly small fraction of hands and it would not be a big deal to sit out that small fraction, or he has actually dealt a much larger number of hands where he manually shuffled, in which case we don’t know how many bad beats there were. If there were 39 bad beats out of 3900 (1%), that would be much less suspicious wouldn’t it?

What are you talking about? He said he started sitting out those ~39 hands per month, and his win rate has improved significantly!

Plot twist:

Dealer is using the card-room to practice, likely deals in a private game underground where his skillset is much more profitable and much less likely to be detected.

I’m more concerned with encountering coolers with machine shufflers based on recent research shown.

i for one 100% believe OP. i think this is much easier to solve than you think.

for funsies OP- can you just tip this dealer a $100 and see what happens? i'll pay for it. i really just wanna see what happens.

https://www.masslive.com/boston/2021...20two%20nights.

wonder if oneof these are the dealer

Maybe if you drop a hint about this suspicious dealer other than saying he's got 20 years in, the rest of us can try to observe the tendency.

I'm sure you could give enough info for a reg to know who it is without being obvious.

Just want to add a few things. The players that were cheating in the poker room but busted playing baccarat…while management said they weren’t doing anything wrong…

They were definitely cheating in the poker room. They were calling out exact hands and flops before they were dealt in front of everybody to see. So unless they developed clairvoyance, something was going on. A dealer as fired, but not because he was in with then, but because he let them do something against the rules.

As for the original allegations. Lots of Mohegan dealers hand shuffle and I have no idea why. Those auto shufflers are broken at times, but even when they aren’t many just do it. I saw a guy lose set over set twice in 30 minutes with a dealer who was hand shuffling.

Maybe PM people who the dealer is.

I don’t think this stuff happens very often but it happens. Of course 99% of cheating allegations are horse crap, but people who
are claiming it’s just variance probably never played at Mohegan. There are def groups who play together for sure and are good friends with the dealer. If he’s a skilled mechanic most won’t notice and management will sweep it under the rug.

Op was last seen taking notes over at Foxwoods wearing tinfoil hat…

Was his 'note taking' phone in his lap? GL

I'll answer serious for a second. Wouldn't the easy answer be not to play when he's dealing? Go get something to eat if he moves to your table.

I know they cheated but the calling hands out ect I thought was bs. I never saw this with my own eyes and really thought this was just a rumor. Why would you ever cheat and then call out flops and hands? I mean many people would just get up after that. That said yes the dealer was fired for letting them play high card.

The thing that really pisses me off with this card room is they know for sure the dude cheated at baccarat and I KNOW the floor was told they were cheating at poker and those ****ers did nothing. Proving they are more incentivized to bury this then protect others from cheaters.

what is shitty though I lost a decent amount before I figured out what was going on.


If you can verify that were able to call the flop out before it was dealt though then WTF how is that even possible? You would need to not only have the auto shufflers rigged but somehow be able to see that information in realtime? Were you sitting at the table when that happened? Very interested if your saying you saw this happen.

This is a change from your OP where you implied the dealer was specifically coolering you. If he's bottom dealing to a ring of cheaters and you are just one of the marks then it's different.

I beli be op is talking about two different cheating events. Trying to use the known Bac w suspected poker cheating to support his claim of the intentional coolers by a dealer cheating.

Story is too good to be made up

Can you take a sneaky undercover photo of the dude and post here ? ( if your accnt is anonymous of course )

there are reading glasses and sunglasses that can record now