First off this is going to be a ridiculous story.

There is a single dealer at mohegan sun that deals more bad beats than variance would seemingly account for. In one month as an example this same dealer handed out 39 3 out 2 outers all on massive pots when I started privately writing down all the hand histories to figure out what my leaks were
. Here is where the story gets ridiculous. He isnt working with anyone seemingly. He litterally just mechanics the card to bust people he seemingly wants too. I know how crazy this sounds but here is how this all went down and why Im writing this post as I have no idea what to do about this mother****er going forward.


All of these beats happen on times he manually shuffles and deals. (There is no reason for manually shuffling and dealing Mohegan has two sets of card shufflers.) This particular dealer has been with the company for close to 20 years.

We have had an actual had a ring of cheaters come in this same ring was exposed and arrested for cheating at baccarat at the Wynn. Mohegan went through the cameras on these players and found no evidence of cheating at poker even though they were clearly cheating and working togather marketing cards ect. They were arrested at this for baccarat no less. Managment looked into this can claims there was no cheating....

So back to this dealer. Management was told and supposedly they went to the camera and said no you were mistaken which was expected.

So wtf would any of you do in this case. Besides getting video evidence on your own showing ridiculous beat after ridiculous beat on manual shuffles and risking a casino ban?

Here is the thing I can go to foxwoods but the 2/5 is abysmally bad there and they don't run 5/10NL. Before I figured this out this idiot cost me close to 150k over a couple of years. Not surprisingly my win rate has gone up 1100 percent in the past two years now that I know what I'm dealing with. I haven't been playing when the dealer sits down. Right now I'm litterally stuck just not playing a single hand when the dealer comes to our table rotation. The real problem is if this dealer is doing this what the **** else is going on here. The casino overall doesnt really care about poker and has tribal immunity for any lawsuit that could come its way anyway.

I'm only writing this to see if others have caught on to this at mohegan or if someone knows of a way this can be resolved. I believe it would take multiple people going to the managment outside of the poker room with some kind of proof or evidence. Basically Mohegans response is that dealers can manually shuffle if they want from time to time and this isnt proof of cheating ect (which is ofcourse correct.) Mohegan is incredibly strict about not video taping and I believe even banned rampage from the casino for his old mohegan sun video.

Has anyone ever experienced anything like this? Has anyone else from Mohegan caught on one dealer manually shuffling then handing out horrific beats consistently? The sickest part is this dealer truly isnt doing it working with a team of regs from what I've witnessed. He just targets people that he wants to bust out for various reasons (Doesnt like them personally) and takes them out with guarantied beats. Set over set two pair to rivered higher two pair is what he mechanics. Worse I have heard from other dealers that work there that this paticular dealer has bragged about this.... again its hersay and not confirmed and no other dealer is willing to go to managment with this stuff understandably.

Super frustrated and thinking of literally just playing far less poker and going to austin 6 times a year to play at this point. What would you guys do in this case? Im on the verge of just giving up and exiting Mohegan Sun poker for good.

I hope the dealer is targeting big tippers who will tip really big on a big suck out.

I'd be curious to see the math you ran on this sample size.

1) How do you cheat at Bac? They destroy and throw away the cards at most facilities. They also opening keep track of results on a screen and allow the Players to keeps notes. The table talk is also extensive in some cases .. cheating? Need more information.

2) How about just not playing any hand-shuffled hand? Not as a policy so the Dealer knows, but AFTER the cut just say you're out!

2A) Are these coolers always AA v KK or do they involve the whole deck?



Per an article from late last year a couple of Dealers were busted in Vegas for putting the cards out first and/or allowing the Players to adjust their wagers after the cards were put out. This should've been easily caught by Surveillance .. and perhaps was. The article makes it sound like they caught on to the issue when they saw a spike in these 'long time' Player win rates. GL

They were marking cards this was 100 percent confirmed and they were arrested publicly in the wynn poker room. IF you do some digging you can find the guy pretty easily not all of them were arrested it was a decently large team.

That is exactly what Im doing now along with some others. The problem is the guy is a mechanic and he has even looked at the bottom of the deck before ect on machine shuffled cards with stupid excuses on why. He actually does set over set as well as two pair vs higher two pair so its not just Aces Kings although out of the 39 beats sampled like this kings busted aces 3 times and queens one time through his hand shuffle. Its so bizzare that this guy just doesnt get with players outside of this and just make real money doing it but so far I have 0 evidence of this happenings and one of the people that busted me I trust deeply and I really dont think he is working with the dealer.

Here is the problem though he is so confident he cant get caught and so lazy that all 39 hand shuffles were horrendous beats... its that stupid. I have been very careful to not alert him that I know as he can make this so much harder to prove by hand shuffling and not setting up the hands. This guy has been doing this for litterally years as well without getting caught.

warning: you won't want to hear this

1- You are almost certainly completely wrong about this dealer cheating. Especially if it's for no good reason and not helping any specific player, what possible incentive would there be for this, considering the cost is being fired and/or arrested. You're in crazy town land. Your sample size is tiny. You haven't described catching the dealer actually cheating in any mechanical way, you just assert that he is a mechanic. You are suffering from bad beats and being paranoid about it.

2- To indulge your paranoid fantasies about it, all you can do is report your suspicions to the floor, poker room manager, casino management, and/or gaming oversight. Fair warning, you sound like a crazy, they may or may not take you seriously. They may or may not decide just to ban you if you make their lives complicated with this sort of bizarre ranting.

3- Your last and best line of defense is to just not play there, or not when this dealer is in the box. Too bad so sad if the other nearby options are worse for you. It's your call, no one is making you play in any one location over another, or at all.

dinesh left out one other major option.

4) Join those of us who have a more comfortable relationship with reality.

I guess you missed that every manual dealt hand was a 2 or 3 outter setup all 39. I realize how crazy the story sounds but it doesn't make it less true.

The guy has been doing this for litteral years and never been caught I'm pretty sure he sees this as very low risk to his job and livelyhood. Also he has an extremely low chance of being arrested as that is not in the best interest of the casino. It is actually bat **** crazy to believe that after 39 manual dealt hands every singlpe hand would be a setup. That is litterally how lazy this individual is and also how confident he is that he will not be caught and there will be no repercussions. Also I haven't personally gone to the floor on this as its incredibly easy for them to ignore and would take someone who understands mechanic shuffling to look at the cameras. The security folks do not take the poker room seriously as it is. Did you read where a known card marker was also vindicated from cheating at poker but arrested at wynn boston for marking at baccarat?

As far as motivation? Its batshit crazy and ridiculous I agree. The dealer in question was working on this for years he thinks its fun personally (this is all hersay btw from other dealers he spoke to in a private game) but also believes its 100 percent not detectable and he doesnt hand shuffle often once a rotation it seems is the mo. My guess is he knows if he was working with another player he would eventually get caught that said he does get big tips for these things so whatever. Don't believe me think I'm crazy whatever I'm confident if this happened to you and carefully did the work like I did you would have come to the same conclusion.

For fun what it seems like is he targets specific people he doesnt like and then just goes from there.

I knew how this would come across I'm still telling you its happening.

Why don't you just complain to the floor about him shuffling manually instead of using the shufflers? Tell them that slows the game down noticeably.

The craziest thing more than one person already has. They were told its the dealers discretion lol. I cannot tell you how much the floor doesnt care about this stuff.


Btw for anyone that would like to see how anyone could eventually do this and get really really good at it with practise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgVbRgNgSwE

The person that went to the floor with a major accusation claims to see the bottom dealt I mean it doesn't get more cut and dry than that. They went to the cameras and said nope everything is good. He asked to see the camera and they told him essentially to **** off.

Not only will nothing be done here but the guy has complete immunity. Pretty wild.

Mostly expected though as look at the small sample here of people claiming there is no way this is happening and Im just insane ect.



Once the guy realizes real heat is on him I guarantee you he will immediately stop being lazy manually shuffle and not mechanic the deck mixing it in.
Again if I could get maybe 3 people at the table all watching closely with some kind of video evidence this would be over. Easier said than done.


You know what else would resolve this immediately. Being allow to film at mohegan as long as you dont include peoples voices or faces....

tbf this is the first time you described anything close to the actual mechanics of the cheating. The vague reference to 39 coolers that just so happen to represent every one of the 39 times that a dealer hand-shuffled is not interesting on its own. There are rambling guys at my street corner who tell more compelling stories.

Introducing a "how" and a "why" make it way more interesting (and even accepting your "how" as incomplete, you are still missing the "why" entirely).

So if you approached the floor the way you did this forum, you might have lost your first impression unfortunately.

Okay I'll bite just for funsies.

OP, your big "I exposed a cheating scandal and then everyone clapped" moment will never happen.

If you think a game is crooked, you DON'T PLAY.

Well aware. The post is pointless though its just nice to at least get it out in the open I guess.

Let’s take off the conspiracy cap for a second and look at this from the floors perspective.

Floor gets told by some rando player who got a cooler go against him no doubt “I saw the dealer bottom deal!”

Floor is skeptical but decides meh it can’t hurt to check. Calls it up to security. Security takes mostly like 20-30 minutes to find the hand at the correct table at the correct time. Goes over the hand. Nothing. Probably goes over a few more hands just to make sure. Nothing.

At this point at least 15-20 minutes and likely more has been wasted on this with absolutely no evidence of anything illegal and likely nothing even remotely suspicious happening except the dealer… hand shuffled or whatever. To them they just wasted their time and don’t want to waste anymore.

So they call down all clear, floor tells the guy, and instead of being like “oh ok whatever. fine.” the guy goes “I don’t believe you! Let me see the footage!”

Now you’re accusing random security employees of trying to engage in a coverup as well as the entire casino. To top it all off, the casino has policies against showing footage to anyone that’s not a cop or a lawyer that is suing them or that they are suing. So the request itself is a stupid request that no casino is going to allow.

If this guy is such a mechanic, sit out. But be careful. If you slander the guy with no evidence chances are you’re going to be the one getting kicked out of the casino and everyone at the table is going to be ecstatic because you probably look like a schizo or a moron.

Just curious how many aces against kings hands you observed this dealer dealt during the same period of time.

Back in the early 80s, I was dealing lowball at Commerce and the Bike. Most of the experienced dealers were from Vegas. They taught me how to move a slug of low cards to the top of the deck (after the cut) to generate more action and therefore more tips. It worked too.

Mind you, this was before cameras and had people on catwalks with binoculars. So, the chances of being caught were already slim to none and proof was impossible. Tips totaled around $500-$800 for an 8-hour shift. Also, if I remember correctly, we put 15% in an envelope to be distributed, which was encouraged by the people who taught me.

So, yeah, dealers cheating in a way that wasn't helping a specific player can and has been done.

In cash games typically the reason for manual deals is immediately after a hand does not get to the flop and nobody took any time to fold or raise. The red light is still on the auto shuffler so the dealer manually shufflers and deals.

It is entirely possible that the dealer is messing around with people he hates and you sound like you are one of them. Personally moving forward when he is manually dealing I'd look at my cards and fold. If he dealt you AA it would be interesting to see the expression on his face when you folded.

My experience at Mohegan Sun has taught me not to trust any management decisions made there. So I stopped playing in tournaments there as a result (and their tournament fields were the weakest in any room I had ever played in).

This is a tricky situation though because while you believe the dealer is not colluding with any players, you may be wrong. He may be randomly doing it most of the time but actually in cahoots some of the time.

Ultimately when the management of a room refuses to look into problems that affect players I stop playing in those rooms. Not necessarily because of the problem that happened but because if another one comes up I will not be able to trust how they will handle it.

A dealer I dislike who may dislike me hand shuffled one time and dealt me KK to AKs and V flopped the nut flush all in preflop. Made me wonder too.

Posters are trying to lead you down some paths ..

.. but you can't 'mark' cards in Bac .. all of the betting is done before the cards come out of the shoe.

At Summerlin Casino there was some DEALERS who were supposed to be allowing Players to adjust their best after the cards came out .. but it was just blatant knowing what Player and Bank each had, not marking the cards.


Just this alone creates some doubt in the rest of your POKER story about a mechanic Dealer.

It's simple .. don't play any hand shuffled hands. GL

This is what I would do.

Wait you cant cheat baccarat by marking cards?

https://www.markedcardspoker.com/blo...baccarat.shtml

I mean this is also an amateur link. Did I mention these guys were arrested with multiple witnesses and the same exact team was playing 5/10 and trying to get bigger games at mohegan and had an insane win rate for over a couple of months pretending they didnt know each other? All of the evidence was given to the floor and instead of saying there was cheating they actually fired a dealer for allowing all of them to play an unsanctioned high card game at the end of the night.

True story they would ask to put the cards all out and for 2500 plus would just have one person bet against them and whoever pulled higher card out of the pile of cards one.... I **** you not one person pulled a K and the other guy (cheater pulled an ace.)

You know what mohegan did? Fired the dealer for allowing the game to go on but never ever officially stated any cheating from that team. Even though the dude was litterally arrested in the wynn boston poker room anyone local can back up this story as it was pretty big news among the local poker community.

Thank you for sharing that. Out of curiosity, how long did it take for you to learn how to do that? Since the only objective is to get small cards and no specific cards or order, I imagine that's one of the easier techniques to learn?

That's definitely the way to go, no matter if something fishy goes on or not. Once you lose trust in the integrity of the game with that dealer you can't keep playing because it messes with your head.

Been playing there around 10 years at 1/2 and 2/5 and never once got a whif of a dealer mechanic. Imo you’re experiencing variance that can cloud even the most rational and logical minds. These pieces of plastic (cards) owe nothing to anyone and have no clue how good/bad you are running, who is dealing, who is receiving the hand etc.

A dealer of 20 years would really risk their lively hood in front of 100 cameras from every angle just for a few laughs and to tilt players they don’t like? Not likely.

Best advice was already stated here. Stop playing there if you truly believe this.

You should quit poker bud, it's definitely not for everyone.

I saw no evidence in you're tilting wall of complaining that you're being "cheated".

You can flip a coin 10 times and it can come up tails 10 times in a row. Does that mean the guy flipping it is cheating?

While interesting, this is not the same as what OP alleges. They are making allegations of fixing particular hands for certain players. The skill it takes to do that makes what you’re talking about look like child's play.