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10-23-2010 , 01:53 PM
Last week was probably the most exciting and entertaining so far. The one where G managed to get Hellmuth on proper tilt is also noteworthy, not that getting Phil to tilt is an achievement worth any notable recognition.

LC's play needs no comments. It makes me wonder where these players are coming from? With the odd exception these guys have been quite horrible. Surely someone with an actual game plan and awareness, what this structure is really about, will step up before seasons end? I mean, whats the earliest a LC has busted so far? Like 120+ hands in? It clearly shows the passive and scared attitude most of LCs have been deploying so far and it has been taking them to deserved land.

As for G getting out of line against Robl. The clock calling part was way out of line, especially the hand he wasn't even involved in. The hand he put Robl to decision is understandable(not acceptable) as it was part of hes way to affect Robl. Generally what Tony does is entertaining and good for tv, he sometimes gets out of line too much but its forgivable, hes reputation precedes him. After all, besides his ability to catch cards and not care moneywise, he still has to compensate for the deficiencies in his game. Wait, does he needs to gain an extra edge with those premises?

However Negreanu, besides his mostly stunningly awful poker at televised cashgames, has certainly gained no new fans with his last performance, person-wise. I used to see him as a likable, outgoing chap but jumping on G's bandwagon there was classless. Sure Daniel has a point that if you want to get yourself known and talked about, you have to hit it up, straddle, bluff whatever. But its Robls decision ultimately whether he plays like a nit or not, or straddles. Apparently he hasn't figured out how one is expected to play and behave at televised poker, especially a young aspiring pro, or doesn't care about making a name for himself. And it's definitely not nice to berate a fellow pro on television for being a nit, unless your Mike Matusow. Classless, blech, doughnutboy.

Also while some of you praised Robl for his classy handling of the situation, I think he made himself look like a bit of a fool. When kids berate and bully you on playground you have normally like 4 valid options of action:1. You fight back, sure you might get a beating at the end but you'll have you're pride left. 2. You go away, the hell with them. They are clowns anyway, not worth your time. 3. You start to cry hoping someone shows some sympathy and that will ease off the rest of the bullies. 4. Or you do like Robl did, act as if you didn't care and try to make stupid jokes with the bullies, without realizing you are probably motivating the big fat boy to try even harder. Actually a worse choice. The G is in many ways that fat ugly kid from playground bullying weaker kids and Negreanu the little annoying wisekid joining the fat guys bandwagon. Robls handling of the situation for me is actually worse out of those options, no character, he would have looked smarter bursting into tears and looking a shoulder to cry on.

The Reynold character I very much liked, Im sure we will see more of him in televised poker shows. Although he dint make any crazy inspirational plays his tabletalk and general appearance made a nice impression, good for the show. At one point I contemplated the possibility of him and Lex consuming some Amsterdam's magic stuff however seeing that Lex had lost his everpresent grin in the last episodes, Im going to have to assume those ''Philosopher stones'' ended up entirely in Reynolds enteron.
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10-23-2010 , 01:55 PM
After watching I believe every episode of this show all I have to say is:

Attention All Future Cannons:

Whenever you get dealt a big pocket pair on this show please play it fast and not always give the pro the benefit of the doubt on a flop of having the nuts since it's very rare they hit and very likely they are putting pressure on you. Get your money in there and don't be scared then you can double up aka ez game. GL.
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10-23-2010 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Velzu
Last week was probably the most exciting and entertaining so far. The one where G managed to get Hellmuth on proper tilt is also noteworthy, not that getting Phil to tilt is an achievement worth any notable recognition.

LC's play needs no comments. It makes me wonder where these players are coming from? With the odd exception these guys have been quite horrible. Surely someone with an actual game plan and awareness, what this structure is really about, will step up before seasons end? I mean, whats the earliest a LC has busted so far? Like 120+ hands in? It clearly shows the passive and scared attitude most of LCs have been deploying so far and it has been taking them to deserved land.

As for G getting out of line against Robl. The clock calling part was way out of line, especially the hand he wasn't even involved in. The hand he put Robl to decision is understandable(not acceptable) as it was part of hes way to affect Robl. Generally what Tony does is entertaining and good for tv, he sometimes gets out of line too much but its forgivable, hes reputation precedes him. After all, besides his ability to catch cards and not care moneywise, he still has to compensate for the deficiencies in his game. Wait, does he needs to gain an extra edge with those premises?

However Negreanu, besides his mostly stunningly awful poker at televised cashgames, has certainly gained no new fans with his last performance, person-wise. I used to see him as a likable, outgoing chap but jumping on G's bandwagon there was classless. Sure Daniel has a point that if you want to get yourself known and talked about, you have to hit it up, straddle, bluff whatever. But its Robls decision ultimately whether he plays like a nit or not, or straddles. Apparently he hasn't figured out how one is expected to play and behave at televised poker, especially a young aspiring pro, or doesn't care about making a name for himself. And it's definitely not nice to berate a fellow pro on television for being a nit, unless your Mike Matusow. Classless, blech, doughnutboy.

Also while some of you praised Robl for his classy handling of the situation, I think he made himself look like a bit of a fool. When kids berate and bully you on playground you have normally like 4 valid options of action:1. You fight back, sure you might get a beating at the end but you'll have you're pride left. 2. You go away, the hell with them. They are clowns anyway, not worth your time. 3. You start to cry hoping someone shows some sympathy and that will ease off the rest of the bullies. 4. Or you do like Robl did, act as if you didn't care and try to make stupid jokes with the bullies, without realizing you are probably motivating the big fat boy to try even harder. Actually a worse choice. The G is in many ways that fat ugly kid from playground bullying weaker kids and Negreanu the little annoying wisekid joining the fat guys bandwagon. Robls handling of the situation for me is actually worse out of those options, no character, he would have looked smarter bursting into tears and looking a shoulder to cry on.

The Reynold character I very much liked, Im sure we will see more of him in televised poker shows. Although he dint make any crazy inspirational plays his tabletalk and general appearance made a nice impression, good for the show. At one point I contemplated the possibility of him and Lex consuming some Amsterdam's magic stuff however seeing that Lex had lost his everpresent grin in the last episodes, Im going to have to assume those ''Philosopher stones'' ended up entirely in Reynolds enteron.
+1.
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10-23-2010 , 02:00 PM
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Your sure seem to have a lot of experience dealing with bullies!
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10-23-2010 , 02:08 PM
man daniel and tony were really out of line how they acted to robl. DN it is his option to straddle or not, no need to berate him. and like robl said, he does this for a living unlike DN who gets ass loads of money from pokerstars. tony g would be my favorite player hands down if he only harassed ppl who deserved it. after seeing him attack robl for no reason at all i have changed my opinion about him. and props to robl for handling that situation with class, if that were me i would be so tempted to just beat the living **** out of tony g right there on the spot(would make for good tv!).
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10-23-2010 , 02:11 PM
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From what I've heard she's actually a pretty sick player. She definitely has the results (online too) and I'm pretty sure Chip Reese said he thought she'd be bigger than Ivey one day (I'm 95% sure I remember that correctly but it could just be made up by Leatherman or whoever said it).
lol...now that's funny.
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10-23-2010 , 02:15 PM
imho daniel was clearly out of line and should publicly apologize to robl. I cant imagine being called in to play a game and then being harassed by the show representative. Robl handled the situation with a lot of class. I lost quite a bit of respect for dn.
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10-23-2010 , 02:17 PM
I guess there is some history and maybe some bad blood but I don't think Robl did anything to warrant that level of abuse. (I can see how he might have a reputation for taking himself a bit too seriously.)

I'm sure that Tony was pulling this act to try to get him to tilt. That said, as Stapes said, you have to give action to get action. It wouldn't hurt for him to straddle just once.

Reynolds played the J8 horribly IMO. When Tony G announces he might move in on the turn and then two people put $31k in, he's not going to overcall very often. I'm sure Lex has never been more stunned to lose a pot.
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10-23-2010 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Zajebisty
Jesus Christ watching Robl was tilting as hell. IMO he deserved EVERYTHING he got and more. Did all you lil fanboys forget his douchy comments when he sat down "I came here as fast as I could just to play you Tony" and "I don't straddle that's why I sleep on a big pile of money". What a ****ing idiot.

Just the fact that everyone was straddling and he wasn't shows what kind of person he is. He's a tard, and on top of that was taking a long time for every decision. He deserved some sort of cooler too bad he did not get one.

I wonder how much Mr Viffer would like it if some dude like that came into your game, did not straddle, played ULTRA tight, acted like a douche, talked smack, took 10 minutes for every decision. Oh but he's your friend so you defend him. That's cool, but don't rag on Tony, Daniel and Will. They were well within their rights to talk **** to him. I hope i never have to see Robl playing on tv again thats for sure.

Sums things up perfectly apart from the last bit. As much as I think he´s annoying, seeing him being picked on like that was great to watch. I could watch it every time. In a way, being infinitely bad for TV actually made for great viewing although without TG, nobody else would have got him.

I´d love to see him being busted by Tony G just for the verbal carnage that followed. I hated Tony G till watching this week´s BG but have to admit now he is great for TV poker.

Reynolds was cupping TG´s balls though a bit too much with some amount of love going in the opposite direction. Maybe viffer has a valid question of whether he was angling for a date.
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10-23-2010 , 02:23 PM
When writing this metaphor I was thinking how long would it take for a wiseass like yourself to come in and make similar ''witty'' comment. Apparently, 7 minutes.

If I absolutely must respond then I did grow up on playgrounds, I probably have been bullied, been the bully and seen my fair share of bullying. It was a very fitting metaphor of describing the table last episode, just like little kids on playground, and I didn't like Robls handling of the situation. He did not only let them have a go at him, it really reflected in his playing as well. How can anyone fold top pair to DN, especially considering the line he took?
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10-23-2010 , 02:24 PM
Why are people saying that it's more out of line to call a clock when you're not in the hand? Whether you're in a hand or not, you're wasting your time while the other person is tanking just the same. If anything, I think it's far more appropriate to call a clock when you're an observer than when you're a player.

As for DN and Robl, what happened is that Tony G got Robl in a headlock and knocked him to the ground, waiting for him to cry "uncle". Then DN walks by, sees Robl pinned to the ground, kicks his balls, and says some smartass comment. DN doesn't come off looking very good in that confrontation.

Speaking of DN, what role does he play on this show? Given his blog entry, he sounds like Donald Trump picking and choosing which poker players he'll hire or fire from the show. Then again, it may not be a bad thing if he is in charge of this aspect, so far the show has been very good to watch, so he must be doing something right if he does have some decision-making power.
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10-23-2010 , 02:26 PM
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Lol I would've Tony G told to **** himself pretty quickly and pretty clearly. Haha don't get me wrong I love Tony, he's fun and entertaining, but I wouldn't have taken that from him in Robl's spot.

"It's not personal. 100% not." Really??? Thanks.
When some one says its not personal it pretty much always is
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10-23-2010 , 02:40 PM
Robl said dumb stuff in his defence.

He should've said, "well, at least I'm not down 2.1 million on high stakes poker. Nobody else is even down 500k."
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10-23-2010 , 02:44 PM
DN does have a very good point. The thing is, TV poker is a game different from regular poker. To win at the game of TV poker, you have to be interesting to watch as a necessary condition. Even Sklasnky said that sometimes it is optimal to play imperfectly for political reasons.
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10-23-2010 , 02:45 PM
Sure the clock-calling thing generally would be more appropriate when youre not in the hand however in this context G was just trying to get under Robls skin. The first time he tried to affect him in his decisions, thats forgivable, for tony, second one was just needless and overacting. But seeing as he had taken himself a goal to crush this nit, then it was just going out of line. And generally I believe when you feel someone is constantly taking too much time on decisions, you dont scream at him, calling him a ****** nit and rambling about clicking buttons on the internet. You do it in in more civilized manner. However knowing that G is aware of the most table etiquette but just doesnt care or feels the need to promote his tv-character.
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10-23-2010 , 02:45 PM
Too bad FTP won't let their players play, because it would have been great to see durrr take the Robl seat. I'm pretty sure he wasn't going to nit it up no matter who was on his left.
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10-23-2010 , 02:53 PM
Wow, that was painful to watch, ruined what had been a great week--**** tony g; if Robl tilts him that much I'd hate to see how he reacts to durrrrr
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10-23-2010 , 03:01 PM
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Too bad FTP won't let their players play, because it would have been great to see durrr take the Robl seat. I'm pretty sure he wasn't going to nit it up no matter who was on his left.
But I bet Durrr would've called it off with the Q6....

although he might've hit the river.
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10-23-2010 , 03:13 PM
This was the worst week ever of The Big Game.

The LC was weak, timid and more out-classed than usual.

Lacking a worthy target, Tony G let loose with his low-class, idiotic tirades against whoever was handy. Playing his usual maniac style and flopping sets, he hit big and taunted anyone who played well but got beat anyway. Hoyt Corkins did the right thing by bailing out. He is way too much of a gentleman to be involved in the farce that was this week's game.

Then, Daniel disgraced himself, the show and Poker Stars by jumping on the Tony G bandwagon. He should be ashamed for the way he acted and make a public apology.

This has been my favorite poker show for some time now, but if they don't address the dysfunctional mess it has become, I'm not sure I'll watch it much longer.
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10-23-2010 , 03:18 PM
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Wow, that was painful to watch, ruined what had been a great week--**** tony g; if Robl tilts him that much I'd hate to see how he reacts to durrrrr
yeah, G isn't doing this to Dwan. 0%. Dwan could sit there for 6 minutes thinking and Tony is still not saying anything.
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10-23-2010 , 03:21 PM
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This was the worst week ever of The Big Game.

The LC was weak, timid and more out-classed than usual.

Lacking a worthy target, Tony G let loose with his low-class, idiotic tirades against whoever was handy. Playing his usual maniac style and flopping sets, he hit big and taunted anyone who played well but got beat anyway. Hoyt Corkins did the right thing by bailing out. He is way too much of a gentleman to be involved in the farce that was this week's game.

Then, Daniel disgraced himself, the show and Poker Stars by jumping on the Tony G bandwagon. He should be ashamed for the way he acted and make a public apology.

This has been my favorite poker show for some time now, but if they don't address the dysfunctional mess it has become, I'm not sure I'll watch it much longer.
corkins is a tard
that was the softest lineup in cash game tv poker history and he ran away after one hand
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10-23-2010 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Zajebisty
Jesus Christ watching Robl was tilting as hell. IMO he deserved EVERYTHING he got and more. Did all you lil fanboys forget his douchy comments when he sat down "I came here as fast as I could just to play you Tony" and "I don't straddle that's why I sleep on a big pile of money". What a ****ing idiot.

Just the fact that everyone was straddling and he wasn't shows what kind of person he is. He's a tard, and on top of that was taking a long time for every decision. He deserved some sort of cooler too bad he did not get one.

I wonder how much Mr Viffer would like it if some dude like that came into your game, did not straddle, played ULTRA tight, acted like a douche, talked smack, took 10 minutes for every decision. Oh but he's your friend so you defend him. That's cool, but don't rag on Tony, Daniel and Will. They were well within their rights to talk **** to him. I hope i never have to see Robl playing on tv again thats for sure.
+1 to this

I don't see that Robl guy having a future in television unless people wanna fall asleep in front of the screen. Corkins running off after investing a single buyin also was quite telling about how interesting he is as a television player imo
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10-23-2010 , 03:32 PM
Corkins maybe did 2 smart things. Not sure if he meant to.

He left the worst seat at the table.

He didn't say anything about seating position when citing his reason for leaving. (I was really annoyed when Robl started giving strategy tips about position and maniacs etc)
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10-23-2010 , 03:41 PM
Is show for poker no? Why play bad strategy and drama? If you like soap opera watch soap opera. Many people here like Tony G but you people are poker people, not? Here is forum for good players.

Pokerstars try make show for new Internet players but need stupid american audience for pay bills I think. Tony G only wait one minute before he shout and curse Robl.
If he do this for me I punch nose. Negreanu is finished player. Car crash boring drama television. High Stake Poker real poker skill.
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10-23-2010 , 03:46 PM
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But I bet Durrr would've called it off with the Q6....

although he might've hit the river.
durrrr doesn't come in as a sub, he's the main attraction.

and people are right, Robl isn't even a nit. What are you going to do raise fold or limp call when there's a maniac on the left? Robl isn't to blame, it's whoever the **** invited him get off Robl's nuts already.
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