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Originally Posted by gotf
280, villain never called the raise, the dealer should have told her she was facing action. The question I don't know the answer to is what if villain doesn't say anything, and shows a winning hand.
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Originally Posted by chillrob
This is the reason villain should have to pay the whole stack with the losing hand; you can't allow a freeroll.
Anyway, in a headsup pot, action offered and accepted, pot is right. If villain only wanted to bet the pot, she could have put in the correct amount, or said "pot". But she obviously wanted to go all in. Hero could have corrected the amount and just called for the pot size, but he was ok with the amount, so it stands.
None of this should have anything to do with the decision of this pot. The villain is not allowed to 'go all in' here. It should all be about the money being across the 'betting line'.
Suppose villain only put $280 across the line and then hero re-raised. At that point, the hero is putting the villain at a decision for the rest of her chips. Whether she now exposes her cards or not, makes no difference (as long as the casino allows exposed cards during head up play). She is ALLOWED to expose them and whether she has the winning hand or not would make no difference. She still would then have the option of calling or folding. If the Hero then exposes his cards before she makes her action, that is the hero's fault. It could be construed as a shatty angle by the villain, sure, but still not against the rules.
Hence, the only decision to be made here is if all of her chips being across the betting line (keeping in mind she put more chips then allowed across the line before the hero reraised) is a binding action now that the pot was raised.
The problem is that she was really not allowed to be putting that much money into the pot on her action to begin with and the dealer should have immediately counted it down and pushed her back the remaining amount BEFORE the hero acted. As a result of this, I could see a lot of floors ruling that her action is still open and she still has a right to fold with only her $280 being at risk or call her remaining amount (which she obviously would not knowing she is not good). Not that I agree with this, but it is most likely how it should be ruled.
Yes, the villain made a terrible play by not saying anything, putting too much money in the pot, and then exposing her cards before her action was really complete. However, that could be due to not knowing a lot about PLO, being new, or be angle shooting. The majority of the fault lies on the dealer and the Hero IMO. You both could of done a lot more to work this out before it got to this point.
BTW - The Hero could have also noticed the villain put too much money in the pot when she raised and then angle shot some himself by insta-raising to try to make her additional money be binding before anyone caught the mistake or before the dealer shipped her back the remaining balance, so that is another reason the fault should lie on the Hero and dealer.