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07-06-2008 , 03:33 PM
A friend of mine who used to deal a game up in Boston recently went down there for work. Its well within the realm of possibility to make $600 in a shift. I can't seem to understand that because 1/2 2/5 and 5/10 are run in Florida, but they're all $100 max? I can't figure out the reasoning for this.
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07-06-2008 , 03:49 PM
I played there a few years back whn the choices were 1-2 limit OR 2-2 limit.

And I did find it amazing how many people would win a $25 pot and tip 2,3 or 4 dollars. Very strange. So at that time, it did appear to be a great dealing gig...good money and low stress (how stressed can you get over a $25 pot...what's the worst that could happen!).

Still don't understand OP's reason for saying Dealer's Wanted?
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07-06-2008 , 05:57 PM
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incoherent mystery
The OP wants what?
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07-06-2008 , 08:20 PM
Florida poker
Jai alai doggies on the run
500 per day
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07-07-2008 , 12:31 PM
Sorry, I should have titled it, qualified poker dealers,
common sense also ,please

Florida dealers do make more than the industry standard,
and we have some real good young kids down here dealing.
But some of the bad apples just alienate enough to offset them.
There's 100's of examples daily, I'll give you 3 off the top
of my head now, and you tell me where I'm wrong, what would be your response.

1 ) Fla poker rake 10%, $5 max, somehow they take $5 on 40 instead

So I'm heads up in $40 pot, -5 rake, -1 BB jackpot, $34
I win the pot, $20 was mine, 14 strange, = 6 reds, 4 whites
dealer searches pot, takes 4 whites,replaces with 2 yellows,
he thinks I'm then going to tip him $2.....NOT
I've tipped more red-birds in Fla than anywhere else in the world I play,
so I'm not cheap, this is/was a joke...

Solution
A ) Not tip at all
B ) Do as my buddy says, ask dealer to change 5 reds into green-bird,
and make smart ass comment, maybe I'll tip you the green




2 ) In general, most dealers don't want to deal tournaments, as they make
less than when dealing live games, and I certainly understand the $5 add-on
that goes to the dealer pool as so pressure isn't on top 3 finishers

That being said, we had some real good tourneys here the last couple weeks,
some 330's, 550's, 880's

And the dealers did real well, good for them
But I'm playing a live game with a weak dealer, and he's crying..
because he hasn't been dealing the tourney.His quote is,
They made $76 an hour yesterday and I didn't get any time dealing them

I really feel bad for the guy, the $35-$40 you are making here isn't enough,
even though you should be making $10, economy here sucks as it does everywhere else



3 ) I'm playing 2/5 NL while waiting for seat in 5/10 NL
And this lil old lady comes in to deal, shes at least 65 if not 70,
and there are plenty of dealers around that age who have been dealing 10/15/20 etc years
But this lady, it was her 1st day, no clue, must have played 5 hands in 30 minutes
Now, as shes getting ready to leave,seat opens in 5/10, and guess what game she's
dealing next...?? Yup, 5/10
She's obviously somebodys aunt, so give her a job, let her deal $1-$2 limit,
but don't put her in big games

And to think she has taken someone else who is qualifieds job, theres a lot of
young kids out there who can't get a job in Florida



Maybe I should have title the thread, Poker room Manager with a clue needed
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07-07-2008 , 12:38 PM
Well that certainly clears things up?
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07-07-2008 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by StevieG
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incoherent mystery
The OP wants what?
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Originally Posted by frommagio
Florida poker
Jai alai doggies on the run
500 per day
These were both good.
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07-07-2008 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by hoops22
Sorry, I should have titled it, qualified poker dealers,
common sense also ,please
You're a piece of work, but I'll actually dignify this post with a response because I think you really tried to put together some content in response to others who have posted in the thread.

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Originally Posted by hoops22
Florida dealers do make more than the industry standard,
and we have some real good young kids down here dealing.
But some of the bad apples just alienate enough to offset them.
There's 100's of examples daily, I'll give you 3 off the top
of my head now, and you tell me where I'm wrong, what would be your response.
I just can't believe that you possibly could know this.

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Originally Posted by hoops22
1 ) Fla poker rake 10%, $5 max, somehow they take $5 on 40 instead

So I'm heads up in $40 pot, -5 rake, -1 BB jackpot, $34
I win the pot, $20 was mine, 14 strange, = 6 reds, 4 whites
dealer searches pot, takes 4 whites,replaces with 2 yellows,
he thinks I'm then going to tip him $2.....NOT
I've tipped more red-birds in Fla than anywhere else in the world I play,
so I'm not cheap, this is/was a joke...

Solution
A ) Not tip at all
B ) Do as my buddy says, ask dealer to change 5 reds into green-bird,
and make smart ass comment, maybe I'll tip you the green
Are you sure it wasn't $41? Because if so, a lot of rooms "round up" and take $2 at $11, $3 at $21, etc.

As for changing whites into yellows, that's fine with me. Like you said, I'm not tipping $2 on a standard hand either, so he can wait until I win a hand and I have a $.50 or $1 chip. Obviously "solution" B is silly and isn't going to get you anywhere.

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Originally Posted by hoops22
2 ) In general, most dealers don't want to deal tournaments, as they make
less than when dealing live games, and I certainly understand the $5 add-on
that goes to the dealer pool as so pressure isn't on top 3 finishers

That being said, we had some real good tourneys here the last couple weeks,
some 330's, 550's, 880's

And the dealers did real well, good for them
But I'm playing a live game with a weak dealer, and he's crying..
because he hasn't been dealing the tourney.His quote is,
They made $76 an hour yesterday and I didn't get any time dealing them

I really feel bad for the guy, the $35-$40 you are making here isn't enough,
even though you should be making $10, economy here sucks as it does everywhere else
That does suck for that guy that he didn't get to make the higher rate for exactly the same work. Would you rather make X for your job or 1.5X for doing exactly the same work?

I would agree with you if your point were that he shouldn't be complaining about the situation to players unsolicited, but I can't blame him for his sentiments as you seem to do.

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Originally Posted by hoops22
3 ) I'm playing 2/5 NL while waiting for seat in 5/10 NL
And this lil old lady comes in to deal, shes at least 65 if not 70,
and there are plenty of dealers around that age who have been dealing 10/15/20 etc years
But this lady, it was her 1st day, no clue, must have played 5 hands in 30 minutes
Now, as shes getting ready to leave,seat opens in 5/10, and guess what game she's
dealing next...?? Yup, 5/10
She's obviously somebodys aunt, so give her a job, let her deal $1-$2 limit,
but don't put her in big games

And to think she has taken someone else who is qualifieds job, theres a lot of
young kids out there who can't get a job in Florida
If what you say is true, she's too slow. She's not qualified to do her job if she got literally five standard-type hands (i.e., people weren't tanking for 2-3 minutes every hand) in a thirty-minute down. You should speak with a floor manager and tell him/her that the dealer should be kept on a short leash and then fired if she cannot get past an average ten hands per down.
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07-07-2008 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by xxrod17xx
And you have to pay taxes lol.
I recall that there is no state income tax in Florida, can someone confirm or deny this? Of course federal taxes cannot be skirted but as a reference I moved to Nevada partly to avoid state income taxes. Paying an extra 30k/year to the state sucks.
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07-07-2008 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PwnShortStacks
Agreed. And so I guess what TT is saying is that there's nothing in the forum rules against making useless (and painfully incoherent) posts.
mostly correct. Just because the OP rambles and is hard to read doesn't mean his POV isn't worth expressing, there are no rules against threads that are are poorly written yet have a legitimate point. OP is essentially saying Florida needs more good dealers, and dealing in Florida has nice advantages such as high wages and taxes - I get it.

Most of the complaints in this thread come from dealers who always complain when wages are discussed, lets ignore the complaints and instead focus on the OP's intended topic..

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OP, what kind of drugs are you on? Or did you just not complete grade school?
trolling is against the rules however, lets avoid that ok?
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07-07-2008 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by *TT*
I recall that there is no state income tax in Florida, can someone confirm or deny this? Of course federal taxes cannot be skirted but as a reference I moved to Nevada partly to avoid state income taxes. Paying an extra 30k/year to the state sucks.
There is no state income tax, but there is some sort of intangible tax. I don't remember what it is on, but if you have a lot of money you have to pay it.
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07-07-2008 , 03:27 PM
I can believe that Florida currently has better tokes than the rest of the country, but that will dry up, likely soon. I wasn't at my current room when NL took off there, but I hear for the first year or so the tips were insane. The regulars will get used to NL and the tokes will go back to normal.

I'd be willing to move there if it weren't for... well, everything.
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07-07-2008 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by *TT*
I recall that there is no state income tax in Florida, can someone confirm or deny this? Of course federal taxes cannot be skirted but as a reference I moved to Nevada partly to avoid state income taxes. Paying an extra 30k/year to the state sucks.
I meant you have to pay taxes in the form of federal taxes I should have been more clear. I also had no idea what the OP was trying to get at at the time. Now I know he wants better dealers to move down to FL. I think FL has a form of income tax that isn't like NJ as far as I know

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Originally Posted by pfapfap
I can believe that Florida currently has better tokes than the rest of the country, but that will dry up, likely soon. I wasn't at my current room when NL took off there, but I hear for the first year or so the tips were insane. The regulars will get used to NL and the tokes will go back to normal.

I'd be willing to move there if it weren't for... well, everything.

Recreational players tip better than the grinder type player obv, so it will just take time for the recreational players to go broke and quit and the games will be normal I agree.
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07-07-2008 , 04:52 PM
This is a question for anyone 2+2'ers who are currently dealers in Florida. I was actually thinking about takign a trip down to Florida to see if I could land a gig. I have been dealing for 6+ years now, sadly, no casino experience...all underground games. Sometimes when Im in Atlantic City I wish that I could just take the deck out of the dealers hand in the box and just do the job myself. My fiance's father lives in Coconut Creek actually. We go down there 3 or 4 times a year. What are the requirements in FLorida to become a dealer? Do you have to go to school? Is it easy to get an audition? Im fairly certain I can land a job if given the chance. I can deal any game, know all the rules, procedures, etc. etc. Thanks for any answers
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07-07-2008 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket300
This is a question for anyone 2+2'ers who are currently dealers in Florida. I was actually thinking about takign a trip down to Florida to see if I could land a gig. I have been dealing for 6+ years now, sadly, no casino experience...all underground games. Sometimes when Im in Atlantic City I wish that I could just take the deck out of the dealers hand in the box and just do the job myself. My fiance's father lives in Coconut Creek actually. We go down there 3 or 4 times a year. What are the requirements in FLorida to become a dealer? Do you have to go to school? Is it easy to get an audition? Im fairly certain I can land a job if given the chance. I can deal any game, know all the rules, procedures, etc. etc. Thanks for any answers
I have no idea if this is true but I have to assume you need some sort of license to deal down there just like anywhere else. So keep that in mind.
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07-07-2008 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by *TT*
I recall that there is no state income tax in Florida, can someone confirm or deny this? Of course federal taxes cannot be skirted but as a reference I moved to Nevada partly to avoid state income taxes. Paying an extra 30k/year to the state sucks.
No state income tax in Florida, but if I read this thread well between the lines the dealers in Florida get taxed on the full amount of their tokes, unlike in Vegas where there's tip compliance with the IRS and a set pre-determined amount per/hour gets taxed with the understanding that the IRS won't come after any taxes for money earned above the agreed-to threshold.

It makes for quite the difference.
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07-07-2008 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RR
There is no state income tax, but there is some sort of intangible tax. I don't remember what it is on, but if you have a lot of money you have to pay it.
I did some checking before picking Nevada, as well. (From memory, Alaska, Washington, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Florida, and except for dividends+interest New Hampshire and Tennessee are state income taxless--I probably forgot one.) But Florida does have that nasty wealth tax, though I've never found anybody who ever paid it--seems like most Florida residents have never even heard of it. They want like 0.15% of your intangible net worth annually (or some such) with an exemption for the first $80K or $100K or some such. Likely still beats most state income tax rates for most people.
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07-16-2008 , 07:22 PM
I'm going to start a new thread, as my original train of thought/q

was leading to this Q....."florida cheaters"
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07-16-2008 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket300
This is a question for anyone 2+2'ers who are currently dealers in Florida. I was actually thinking about takign a trip down to Florida to see if I could land a gig. I have been dealing for 6+ years now, sadly, no casino experience...all underground games. Sometimes when Im in Atlantic City I wish that I could just take the deck out of the dealers hand in the box and just do the job myself. My fiance's father lives in Coconut Creek actually. We go down there 3 or 4 times a year. What are the requirements in FLorida to become a dealer? Do you have to go to school? Is it easy to get an audition? Im fairly certain I can land a job if given the chance. I can deal any game, know all the rules, procedures, etc. etc. Thanks for any answers
Getting an audition in South FL isn't easy; I cannot speak for central/northern FL. When I got my job I just keep annoying the poker room manager until he finally gave me a shot. As far as "requirements" you audition and either pass or fail school really isn't a requirement although some casinos here The Isle for one has their own school which they want you to go through to learn some of the techniques they require at the table.
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07-16-2008 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 52s
No state income tax in Florida, but if I read this thread well between the lines the dealers in Florida get taxed on the full amount of their tokes, unlike in Vegas where there's tip compliance with the IRS and a set pre-determined amount per/hour gets taxed with the understanding that the IRS won't come after any taxes for money earned above the agreed-to threshold.

It makes for quite the difference.
This is true for racinos, I'm not sure about Indian Casinos down here. For racinos we have to declare every penny after floor cut (generally 7-10%) and then get a weekly/biweekly paycheck from there.
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