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07-19-2019 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dingusmcphee
You’re the type to drive the exact speed limit in the left lane.
I will personally stop a hand if we are off by 1 ante, or if there is even a minor error. Often times, in the case of a missed ante, I will toss in the chip myself to make the pot right. The point is, in poker, you do not want sloppiness. Letting mistakes slide because they are minor leads to situations where a major mistake occurs that could have been avoided.

I figure I am about 50% right when I stop the dealer because something isn't right. That is more than enough for me to keep doing it. I am gracious and self deprecating about it, I don't want to show up the dealer. But I believe strongly that games should be run tight and consistent.
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07-19-2019 , 06:21 PM
Your acknowledgement that you are "wrong a high percentage of the time" is at least a reason to reevaluate your range. You could adjust based on the confidence in your observation, the probability that someone else will speak up if it actually happened, and potential impact if it did.

Image a table full of self-proclaimed table captains with zero tolerance who are wrong a high percentage of the time. It would be a nightmare. Your model only works — for some loose definitions of "works" — because it hasn't been pushed to scale.

That said, I would not describe any tolerable amount of being wrong as "high". Maybe you distinguish between that and "too high"
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07-19-2019 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by albedoa
Your acknowledgement that you are "wrong a high percentage of the time" is at least a reason to reevaluate your range. You could adjust based on the confidence in your observation, the probability that someone else will speak up if it actually happened, and potential impact if it did.

Image a table full of self-proclaimed table captains with zero tolerance who are wrong a high percentage of the time. It would be a nightmare. Your model only works — for some loose definitions of "works" — because it hasn't been pushed to scale.

That said, I would not describe any tolerable amount of being wrong as "high". Maybe you distinguish between that and "too high"
Exactly. You are wrong often enough that it appears you are borderline crazy to everyone else. This is why they try to politely tell you to keep quiet.

How about the next time to speak up and are wrong, you can’t speak up for the next 2 ‘errors’ that you spot?
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07-20-2019 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by MarshMan114
Exactly. You are wrong often enough that it appears you are borderline crazy to everyone else. This is why they try to politely tell you to keep quiet.



How about the next time to speak up and are wrong, you can’t speak up for the next 2 ‘errors’ that you spot?


I like this idea! Just hand every player (or just the self-appointed Table Captains) a red challenge flag and they can keep them in their sock like Belichick. If you throw one and are wrong, you are down to two challenges and have to pay everyone at the table 1bb. If you are right, you can keep going.
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07-20-2019 , 10:42 AM
What types of things are the self described table captains wrong on so often? Is it that you do math wrong in your head, so half the time you tell the dealer he made change wrong when he didnt or something? Or is it that your knowledge of the house rules is so cursory that you are wrong about a rule violation about half the time?

If the dealer is about to make a mistake, like push the pot to the wrong person, or failed to pull in a bet, or made the sidepot wrong, then by all means a player should speak up in time before the next card is dealt, or pot pushed, etc. (but don't "help" early by yelling out the side pot amount before the dealer has calculated it in his own head--that doesnt help at all. He isnt allowed to just take your word for it, he has to finish his own calculation anyway, so all you are doing is distracting him and slowing him down. Especially if you are wrong half the time).

So I really have trouble imagining the types of things that you could be wrong about at such a high percentage. If your math or rules knowledge is that bad, then it may be bestto keep quiet. It is really annoying to both other players and dealers to have a clueless player interrupting the dealer for nothing. And frankly, if you're only right about half the time, then you are no better than flipping a coin.

By all means catch a dealer mistake when you KNOW he made a mistake. But dont interrupt him in the middle of a hand just so you can use that opportunity to learn something new about the rules of poker or because you werent paying close attention and didnt see him do something while you were looking at your phone or ordering a drink, so you want to make sure he did it.

Last edited by browser2920; 07-20-2019 at 10:49 AM.
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