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Originally Posted by callipygian
Why?
The answer to whether you're a jerk or not depends on the answer to that question.
Basically, your cost is slowing down the game and your benefit is ___ (fill in the blank). If you get super little benefit (either in magnitude or in rarity) and are willing to impose a huge cost (either in magnitude or rarity) on others, it's probably a dick move.
Like if a drunk guy who raises PF blind and just randomly fires off and you have two pair on the river in a 10 bb pot, I'd be way more irritated than if two TAGs you've played with for years got into a huge raising war and the pot is 500 bb.
Me too. I just fastroll until I catch them lying, and then I stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Very few people lie occasionally, IME. Either they tell the truth all the time or they lie a lot.
This is correct on all counts.
And bear in mind, if you are a good player, the specific information of one hand is not particularly useful and can even mislead you.
If you are calling, you already know that a certain percentage of your opponent's holdings are bluffs. Further, you are likely to know what they look like, e.g., busted flush and straight draws, maybe some high card continuation bets that missed the flop, etc.
So seeing the specific hand is at best at little value. You will see something that you already knew was in the player's range. If you didn't have any idea the player's range, then you shouldn't really be calling river bluffs in the first place (and probably shouldn't be playing at all).
And it can even mislead. Let's say someone misclicks or tilts. So they raise 62 offsuit pre-flop. And then, having gotten into the hand, they decide to bluff with it. But that's not how they normally play. Seeing the specific hand can actually cause you to come to wrong conclusions about the player's range, because a sample size of 1 is so unrepresentative.
Finally, this is just a moral/ethical principle, but I don't think anyone should pull this crap who spends the time he or she is not playing hands not paying attention. I.e., can you tell me the last 10 hands this player showed down against other players? If you can't, because you were playing with your smartphone or ogling the cocktail waitress or whatever, then you really have no right to be slowing up the game, because you obviously don't care about information.
Now if you can tell me the last 10 hands this player showed down, fine, I feel slightly differently. But most players can't.