The dealer pushes the pot while tabling the remaining hand.

This is the way it was always done at Borgata when I played there, and I thought it was perfect. It was done whenever there was only one player left with cards at showdown but he didn't table them himself.

One twist that no one has mentioned as of yet unless I missed it ... who was supposed to show first?

There are plenty of times during reg filled games when an IP Player will show one 'winning' card and allow the 'first to show' to muck ... which then allows the IP Player to muck the 2nd card if he chooses. It's certainly a bit of cat and mouse.

If the house rule is 'two to win' then a Player who has volunteered one card probably should be forced to show the other. The loop hole exists as shown in this thread.

Getting back to the gist of the thread. A Dealer can/should explain the rule to a table/Player 'one time' and then go to more aggressive tactics to enforce the rule .. and pass on the information when pushed. At higher stakes we should assume that the Players know the rule, but it may not be the case. GL

1) I thought Borgata was a room where you could literally play a hand with only one card. If so why would you have to show the second card?

2) it doesn't address the logic of why the second card needs or should be shown.

3) what about "the rule" that a dealer should never table a live hand?

In Atlantic city I think the rule was the button can play with one card, not sure about Borgata, but a friend of mine did it at the Taj.

Never heard of any rule saying the dealer can't table a live hand. At many rooms the dealer will table the winning hand if a player requests.

So it is ok to claim a contested pot with a single card but when someone has the only live hand you believe they must table both cards. Not a perfect parallel for sure but in one case a single card is fine and in the other it isn't. Heck in one case there isn't even an alternate hand to even make a claim.

If the loser wants to ensure he sees the winning hand all he has to do is not choose to muck his hand before the winning one is tabled.

As to dealers tabling hands, I frequently see dealers telling players they can't turn over card that has accidentally been flipped face down. They push it back to the player still face down to allow the player to turn it face up. Are you by chance referring to IWTSTH situations? If so the only times those a tabling a hand are if the current winner is asking. Otherwise the hand is dead and turning a dead hand face up does not table it because it is still dead so it isn't tabled.

I was talking about IWTSTH when someone asks to see the winning hand.

That is completely different from what we're talking about here.

Yep.

Someone else was starting that the dealer never tables a winning hand. I was refuting that.

Anyway, before that I just was telling how this situation would be handled at a particular place I used to play often. Then someone decided to argue with me about it for reasons unknown to me.

Techinically unless the IWTSTH requester is the current winner, that is not a tabling a winning hand. The dealer is exposing a hand which is already a winner. Subtle but significant difference.

Umm, ok then, I still don't see what your disagreement with me is. I was just stating the way a situation was handled in a particular room, which is something I approved of.

But your example, except in a narrow and quite uncommon situation, is about exposing a hand NOT tabling a hand. Dealers normally go out of their way to NOT table a hand. I believe a current winning hand invoking IWTSTH is the only time I recall seeing a dealer table a hand.

First you ignored the first two questions.

Second, while I should not have used “never” your response implied that it was routine and or common for dealers to table hands. There is an (narrow) exception for dealers to table a hand. It is narrow, far from universal and even less commonly invoked due to the potential to cost invoked the pot. OTOH it is close to universal that dealers avoid tabling hands and to imply otherwise is incorrect.

You asked me about justifying the logic behind having to table your hand to win and being able to win with just one hole card. I didn't answer that because I don't have an answer for it. I didn't make the rules. But I don't really see a contradiction between them and am fine with both rules.

I know the Borgata rule was unusual, but I liked the rule. I think having hands awarded at showdown with no hands actually shown looks very suspicious to newbies.

Disagree strongly with this. Lots of new players, esp those from rec home games think a player can win just by showing the winning card. They don't understand why their other card matters when one player shows KK on an A9843 board and they show an ace. Hundreds and hundreds of dime-quarter style home games wouldn't bat an eye at that, and it's not shady or angling.

As to the OP, I think a dealer should say something like "You can either show both cards or muck." That doesn't give any advice or influence action, it presents all options to the player, same as saying "Bet or check" or "fold, call, or raise."

Turn the upcard face down, muck the hand, push the pot to the other guy, prepare to take a verbal lashing...

Seriously, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If it's the case it's a new player, that will teach them the lesson early on that you need to show both cards to win, guarantee they won't make that mistake again.

Many people that have only played home games do this when they first go to a card room.

As a dealer, I can confirm this.

I agree. If they never play casino poker again, that mistake will be their last. Easy game. Let’s get all those newbs out of there, reg-only poker without all those freaking limp/callers gets you so many more hands per hour!
Exactly. Showing only one card is perfectly fine in a lot of home games, especially in good ones.

What this is really is , is a sure fire way to get a beginner or and occasional rec player to stand up, call the dealer and the rest of you regs *******s, pick up his chips and leave. That should actually teach you a lesson, but maybe it won't. Give him a warning, explain the house rule, push him the pot. Keep him and his chips in the game.

If the routine you speak of is showing one card to claim a pot, I agree with everyone else. It’s honestly baffling that you don’t know new players to do this.

Agreed. Almost every new player does this once. The rule is explained and that's the only time they do it. I've seen noobs do this hundreds of times.

Borgata will allow a blind with only one card to play. (And then they don't have to show two cards to win because they don't have two cards.) A button with only one card can get their second card in turn preflop. (I.e., when they go to look a their cards the first time, their second card is still the top card in the deck.)

With the old requirement that a hand had to be shown at showdown, I always saw it that the dealer would ask the player to turn them up. I'm not sure if that was city-wide or just common, but I also saw it at Showboat.