I was a new player once. I learned what a string bet is because someone called it on me. It didn't stop me coming back, it did teach me to be careful about announcing and/or cutting out my bets.

As far as folding out of turn goes, telling someone not to do it is a trivial advisement to correct their play. It shouldn't offend anyone to be politely asked to comply with the rules.

I wasn't asking why you or I should follow the rules. I was asking why this guy, who clearly doesn't care about anyone but himself, should follow the rules.

1) yes it is the dealers responsibility and a good dealer will always take steps to keep the game under control.

2) folding out of turn isn't nearly as bad as calling a raise out of turn but yes it's a huge problem and needs to be addressed.

Usually, if you explain why its important to act in turn a new player will accept the criticism and move on. The OMC that does it is another story.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned, though, is to avoid dogpiling on a new player. You mentioned that you only spoke up after someone else did. It sounds like you did it right, deflecting away from the new player towards the dealer. But you really want to make sure the new player doesn't feel ganged up on.

It's best to raise it with the dealers. Unfortunately many players take any correction or criticism as a grave insult.

Had the situation many times, from experience i would say that kindly adressing the new player who folds out of turn will work fine in 9 out of 10 times. As is other situations in life, the way you present these things can work wonders.

The one time it doesnt work, the dealer or floor should obv take care of it and enforce the rules.

Bump, and I want to ask how people feel the rules should be "Enforced"...
Lately I've been having a lot of problems with clowns simply not playing playing in flow, betting out of turn, folding out of turn, etc

Sometimes the dealer will say something, and sometimes it's just like accepted as like spillage that's gonna always happen so who cares.

Some examples.

1. Dude raises with AK, get a few calls, and the flop is J,10,4
AK checks, guy bets $20, someone 3 bets to $80 and the AK guy is frustrated and literally folds his cards face up. Dealer is like "Uh, you should do that"

... Those card aren't important at all

2. I raise $25 pre, get 4 calls.
I C-Bet flop, next to act is thinking for 10 seconds and the next guy decides "Hey, I'm just gonna fold and go to the bathroom" chain reaction and the following 2 guys fold as well.

Guy who's thinking now puts in a raise... Must be nice knowing there's nobody behind you anymore.
And again, the dealer is like "Guys don't fold out of turn"

3. Tonight in a 3 way pot, flops checks.
The button leads the turn, was told "You're last to act, wait your turn please" check, check, button bets, one call.
River comes out and AGAIN the button bets first, $50. So the first to act player doesn't know the rules really and puts in $150 as a raise, button folds and puts in $0 because "Action changed"

I have probably 25 examples like this from this week alone, and usually it's not a HUGE deal and I don't care. But sometimes it is a big deal, and I reach a tipping point and I just kind of lose it, and talk to the dealers and floor but they're not gonna kick people out for this. And the people doing this stuff are probably too dumb to actually care. I'd almost like tournament style penalties, sit out an orbit, put the blinds in dead next hand and post or something

Mini-vent, sorry

A strong management team will kick people out for this, for escalating amounts of time, if it becomes a pattern of behavior. Unfortunately, poor management will not. Vote with your feet.

#1 sounds like a guy who we all know who does this all the time when he's running bad. He needs to be tossed a time or two, then he will be at a crossroads, either he will change or he will get 86ed.

#3 sounds like a similar angle shooter. He should also get tossed once or twice, and then either stop angling or get 86ed.

#2 seems like a one time thing. Maybe that player has a reputation for hollywooding or whatever and this is his way of signaling that there are repurcussions for slowing the game down unnecessarily. (Sucks that you're the one getting burned by it, of course.) Or maybe he just really had to go. Either way, if he does it routinely, same as the above, but this is the least annoying example of the ones you provided (to me, anyway).

Yes .. Seems to be more and more of these 'disrespectful' acts lately. I think part of it is a bit of frustration and certainly impatience with the game. Players are getting better, so spots are tougher that ever before. But also Players are taking more time to think about spots since there is so much information out there that they want to run through their heads while making a decision. And yet Players are so ready for the next hand (almost Zoom poker like) that they don't follow proper poker etiquette physically because they've already mentally moved on.

It's seem really odd that 'better' Players would get worse in etiquette, but that's basically my point.

I'm a chronic tank-folder on the River in PLO, but I will sometimes show the table the fold to 'justify it and appease their mental anguish! This issue with this is that I'm teaching at the table, which makes the game tougher, while giving away my hole cards for all to see. I'm not good enough at PLO (or NL) to make these 'instant' folds/calls that everyone thinks they warrant. I want to replay the hand in my head and try to make sound decisions. I've made surprising calls that were good as well as making WTF folds that were good as well. (We all have)

I will get the 'You're gonna fold anyway' from both Players in the hand as well as others waiting for the next hand to begin. I'm certainly making this uglier than it really is, but when the flush-board pairing cards come out on the River I think they merit some thought before folding the 4th-8th nut type of hands. GL

To the dealers and floors here, in situation #3, what is your opinion of a player not in the hand clarifying the room rule here? Is that a OPTAH violation? Is it different if a player just asks the dealer if that OOT action is binding and lets him explain? If I am in the hand, but action is on me, can I ask the dealer to clarify the rules, or am I influencing action?