Thoughts on this little gem?

Preflop, guy on the button goes all in for $55, 1 chick calls and they're heads up. Both are regulars. The dude is a giant douche and known trouble maker. Chick is a sweetheart that everyone loves. Both were playing for about 18 hours and its 530am.

Board comes out.

At showdown, chick immediately tables her hand. Guy leaves his cards sitting out there face down, unprotected, and leans back in his chair with his arms raised in the air. He starts berating the chick, taunting her and finally tells her to turn ONE of HIS cards over. Dealer says no, you expose your own hand. Chick and dude start arguing...chick just wants the hand to be over.

She eventually leans over the table and swipes his cards into the muck.

Dude freaks the heck out, threatens to kill her, and the cops eventually had to be called to get him removed from the room.

Chick did voluntarily give him his $55 back though. LOL. The crap you see sometimes.

The guy should be awarded the full pot and both players banned from the card room.

Every single word in your post tries to create sympathy for a “sweetheart that everyone loves” against “a giant douche” who leaves his cards “unprotected”. Taking another players cards to muck them comes right after physically attacking a player/dealer and cheating as the biggest no-no in a poker room. People have been banned for life from all MGM/Caesars properties for less.

Since police were called I would guess this room has NO effective security folks who could handle the mess! Underground room even??

She was wrong to muck his cards, even if he was Charlie Manson.

Forgetting how he described the players,at showdown she turns her hand over,he refuses,berates her and then taunts her to turn his hand over

The guy sounds like a grade a piece of **** loser and if this was unprovoked I could see why she did what she did, although she should be punished.someone acting the way he did in this hand is usually a pattern of behavior which people get sick of.it sounds like he long ago should have been banned from the room.she shouldn't even have to argue with him,this idiot needs to turn his hand over or muck.

How long? If more than a few seconds the dealer should have called the floor.

He left his hand unprotected and told her to handle his cards.
I kinda like what she did and he deserved it... but we all know she becomes the bad guy also when she does.

Send them both home. If only one comes back, I hope it's the chick.

He does, but that’s still part of the way OP describes him.

I just described them to set the tone. Both were in the wrong, and it was unlike her to act out like that. His douchebaggery was typical behavior for him.

This was in a legit cardroom, not underground. Security asked the guy to leave repeatedly. He refused and actually said "call the cops, I don't care if I get arrested". He didn't get arrested, but it took the cops about 20 minutes of talking to him to get him to finally leave on his own. They have the patience of saints.

The floor was called over after about a minute of d-bag stalling and berating the girl. About a minute after that, she swiped his cards.

I hear the staff is trying to get him banned for life. This room is the only one around here he's allowed in. She got a strong "Dont ever do that kind of thing again" talk from the Manager.

Maybe some think she should receive a stiffer punishment, but right or wrong, we're all secretly thankful that she did that so d-bag gets 86ed for good. I've been dealing with this a-hole for more than a decade.

To the floor\dealers in this thread, what the options here. Can the dealer say 'Please show or muck?' and then kill the hand of the player does not table? Can another player call a clock (which seems ridiculous, since action is closed)? If this crap went on for over a minute with him refusing to table his hand, I can see how any player, not just the one in the hand, would be very tempted to just muck his hand. I don't get how a floor is called, and still nothing happens for a minute longer.

Dealer and floor are no help here.

As soon as he doesn't show I'm calling the floor.

When floor got there it should have gone like this.
"In five seconds your hand will be dead, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 dead hand."

With the floor and dealer doing nothing, the girl did nothing wrong in my book.

I'm on Team Girl, too.

Yeah, the floor kept telling him to show his hand. The guy kept arguing and saying he wanted her to turn over one of his cards. I agree 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...dead hand. That's how it should have been handled .

Dealer has 2 options.

1) Tell the player to show or muck or his hand is going to be dead. Then after another 5 seconds just push the pot to the other player and move on. The Dbag will probably not give up his hand and floor will have to be called.

2) Call the floor over to handle it. Floor will do the same thing as #1. My response as the floor is (I've had to do this one time in my career only) to say "you have 3 choices. Show, muck, or leave. I'm never bluffing and try to make that obvious.

Dealer in OP handled this terribly. With his attitude, the floor should've been called instantly.

Floor/management are the problem here. After 3 seconds of silliness, the girl or dealer should get the floor. The floor should have security over to remove the guy. That might take time but the floor can declare the guy’s hand dead, ship the pot and then deal with him.

Girl should not have mucked his cards though, you have to let the floor deal with it...or fail to deal with it like this. Stern talking-to is a reasonable response from mgnt given the provocation.

Guy should be banned for life if this is his standard MO.

It is clear that he has a buddy in management if he's been banned in all the other rooms in the area, the staff is trying to get him bannned, yet he is still playing at this room. This should have been the last straw.

As for the girl. To paraphrase the Dad in "Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day," no matter how mean and ratty the other guy was, you can't touch his cards. Sorry, you're getting 86ed for the night. He's got a permanent ban.

Slightly surprised by Suit's #1, but it's a fine procedure to follow as well.

I tend to 'protect' the Dealer, so I'm not so sure I want the Dealer to push a pot when there's a live hand out there ... even if the Dealer has 'attempted' to kill the hand via procedure/policy. I would much rather have the Floor called to witness the killing of the hand and resultant pushing of the pot if the cards are still 'out'.

I'm also surprised at how accurately these hands continue to get successfully mucked in these spots. Is this girl that good (after 18 hours) that the two cards weren't identifiable? I assume that the Dealer is somewhat paying attention and even protecting the muck during these spots.

There have been other threads where a Player actually tossed their cards into another Player's holding, thus 'mucking' both hands and creating a spot.

The guy obviously has to go for an extended (if not life) period of time. You just can't go around threatening other people no matter how tired, drunk or otherwise you may be. A guy in our area got a 6 month ban for making a racist 'joke' comment about a tip after getting sucked out on ... I put physical threats beyond that for sure.

The girl obviously needs 'instruction' as well and hopefully doesn't need to be convinced to end her session or at least take an extended break. I would feel much stronger about the incident had the Player not given her permission to touch his cards ... so to speak ... but none the less she should know better and can't just be let off the hook so easily. GL

Yes, you can always call clock. Give the player the same amount of time to act before his hand is dead as you would any other player who is taking a long time to decide. If he doesn't table his hand before time runs out, kill the hand.

And if the same player pulls this move again, hand him a rack and tell him to come back the next day if he likes.

Hey, I've BEEN this dealer! I've worked in rooms where the floor is completely useless. I've worked in rooms that won't 86 a player like this, thinking that 86'ing players is bad for business.

So don't blame the dealer here. Judging by the way this played out, if he thought calling the floor would get him nowhere, he was right!

Agreed, I am not confused about why the dealer didn’t call the floor over to twiddle their thumbs sooner. It might not have made sense in the moment (in which case I would have encouraged the dealer or called the floor myself), but it makes total sense in retrospect. The dealer might have reasonably calculated that the situation would diffuse itself faster without a floor call.

To a certain extent the girls infraction occured precisely because the dealer dis not protecy her from abusive behavior. Letting her off with some kind of warning is probably fine.

It would be pretty shocking if the guy wasnt banned after cops were called and for overall bad behavior.

Yeah we've perma-banned players for less than this. If he is a repeat offender and giant D-Bag, then of course he's done. She should be done for the day herself, but after 15 hours she probably is anyway. The floor should absolutely be called, and if the room isn't too big should be there already anyway from the sounds of things. I agree with A20 regarding Suit's answer, that it was missing mucking V's hand first before pushing the pot. I'm thinking Suit just forgot to include that step.

Actually, I'm assuming the Dbag isn't giving up his cards to the dealer at all, so ship the pot and call the floor if he still won't give them up. I have zero tolerance for someone acting like that. If I get there and the dealer explains this to me, I got his/her back and will handle it. I sure hope a dealer would never do this until it has gone beyond what is reasonable. I also will go watch the video to see myself. You are probably right that the dealer should just let the floor handle it though. I concede that much, but I don't have time for players acting like this.

Gotta love it when the Floor can actually watch the tape ... pretty rare IMO. GL

A regular floor guy can usually get a manager to go watch it. Usually requires a manager to make the decision to 86 someone anyway.

Chick is out of line. However, I don't care. If she gets escorted out for 24 hrs, thats OK with me. If she gets escorted out and comes back 3 or 4 hours later after showering and taking a nap, I'm good with that too.

Villain who threatens to kill the chick is banned for life immediately.

If I were the chick I would have called for the clock. In most places its now about 30 seconds. At showdown I would be happy if it were 15, 10, or 5 seconds.

I see why everyone loves the chick. She totally owned him with a masterfully ballsy move. Which I think he deserved. There is no reason why she should have to take his s***