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06-06-2014 , 12:24 PM

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LowSociety

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Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,033

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Originally Posted by Ultrazord

Intention is never as clear as players on forums want it to be.

"Nuts" Can mean

"Darn I missed"

"Dang, I was bluffing and you called."

"I have the best hand possible."

"I have a hand that is terrible but I think it still beats you so in my mind it might as well be the nuts."

"I misread my hand and honestly think I have the best hand."

"I misread the board and honestly think I have the best hand."

"I'm a funny guy and everyone will see I'm joking."

"God I hope he just insta mucks thinking I win."

"Waitress, a bag of peanuts please!"

I was thinking exactly this. If he had said "the nuts" then to me that would have been 100% unambiguous.

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06-06-2014 , 12:34 PM

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pfapfap

HP JoY 2011 wienerbucket

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 22,537

Angle shots thrive in the gray zone of ambiguity. Even if it's not intentional, some people (like dealers) should know better.

Just because you didn't mean to run over that small child and her puppy doesn't mean you're not responsible for your actions.

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06-06-2014 , 12:49 PM

#28

LowSociety

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Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,033

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Originally Posted by pfapfap

Good analogy. I would agree with the ruling but not necessarily further penalizing the offender since this is less serious than the above

and you cannot tell his intention accurately 90% of the time.

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06-06-2014 , 02:23 PM

#29

Not Hockey Guy

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Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 149

If the guy was joking he obviously wouldn't be mad @ having the other guy awarded the pot especially since he is a dealer & all & should understand why. If he's pissed about it, that would indicate it was a purposeful angle & he should be admonished for it.

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06-06-2014 , 03:55 PM

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callipygian

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 19,880

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Angle shots thrive in the gray zone of ambiguity.

I'd go further. Angle shots exist only in the gray. It's breaking the spirit of the rules while adhering to the letter of the rules, or taking advantage of information asymmetry about an obscure or location-specific rule.

"Nuts" might mean "aw shucks" on a baseball field as a batter throws his bat on the ground. If you believe it means anything but "I have a really good hand" when flipping a poker hand at showdown, then Bill Clinton did not have "sexual relations" with "that woman."

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