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Old 09-05-2018, 01:12 PM   #26
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Re: One of the weirdest preflop situations Iíve seen...

That hand is so f'd up I think you just press the nope button, declare the hand dead and move on.

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Old 09-05-2018, 02:24 PM   #27
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Re: One of the weirdest preflop situations Iíve seen...

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Sometimes, the nittery is necessary. The goal of preserving the cards that "would have" come, instead of "just give me any random card, I don't care," is an actual anti-cheating procedure. A cheating dealer might sabotage the cards that "would have come" if he knows what they are in advance (marks?), and doesn't want them to roll out (partner gave the "I have KK" signal, dealer scuttles any Ace?).

To be clear, we're not doing all this because we think he might be cheating--we're doing all this because whoever loses this pot is going to imagine that he may have been swindled by an elaborate scheme, and we have to keep HIM happy.
TY for the reply. Gives me some perspective, lets me know that there is some rationale for it.

I was in a co-op committee meeting last night (fml), and we were discussing pet policies (fml some more) that new members don't agree with, but were put into place b/c 15 years ago it was necessary, and could be necessary again in the future. Whenever someone complains about a policy, even if I don't know what is behind the rule, I usually answer with some form of, "I trust the people who made the decision had a good reason to do so." This idea of mine probably falls apart once you get a group larger than 100 people together; for example, every politician everywhere.
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Old 09-05-2018, 03:32 PM   #28
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Re: One of the weirdest preflop situations Iíve seen...

"I trust the people who made the decision had a good reason to do so."

I have long-since lost most of that trust.
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Old 09-06-2018, 09:17 AM   #29
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Since the 2 other flop cards aren't identifiable, next 2 off the stub, which as has been pointed out will result in the natural turn and river both hitting the board.
The card on top of the stub right now is the 2nd burn card, not the natural Turn, but we would get the natural Turn on the Flop as well. The natural River card is four deep in the stub and would now be the Turn card instead. Then we get a 'random' River card that was six deep in the stub.

Another creative solution, which most here don't like, would be to put out the Turn and River face down and then shuffle the stub and take the top two cards as the other two Flop cards. I don't really see a need for this as we do get the natural Turn and River anyway, just earlier in the hand as would be the case in a pre-exposed Turn card scenario ... the River becomes the Turn. GL
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Old 09-06-2018, 09:38 AM   #30
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The card on top of the stub right now is the 2nd burn card, not the natural Turn, but we would get the natural Turn on the Flop as well. The natural River card is four deep in the stub and would now be the Turn card instead. Then we get a 'random' River card that was six deep in the stub.

Another creative solution, which most here don't like, would be to put out the Turn and River face down and then shuffle the stub and take the top two cards as the other two Flop cards. I don't really see a need for this as we do get the natural Turn and River anyway, just earlier in the hand as would be the case in a pre-exposed Turn card scenario ... the River becomes the Turn. GL
Exactly, that's why I said they would hit the "board", not the "flop".

Putting out the natural turn and river face down on the table to "wait their turn" I don't like because for one it raises the issue of marked cards (I know, they probably aren't, but we use burn cards for the same reason), and for two, having random face down cards out in the playing field increases the chances that one of them gets exposed, commingled with mucked hands, etc.
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Old 09-06-2018, 10:58 AM   #31
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Re: One of the weirdest preflop situations Iíve seen...

There is too much action for this to be a misdeal IMO. Call, raise, call, call. I think given all the choices here I would likely rule that the As stays in the flop, and the next 2 cards off the stub complete the flop. I'm with BlackAces with the notion that the original turn and river will still end up on the board if the hand goes that far. To me that would be the best answer to keeping the integrity of the deck/hand.

KITN to the dealer for not calling the floor right away.
KITN to the dealer for mucking 2 cards that have no reason to be mistaken for mucked cards at this point.
KITN to the dealer for flipping the As before calling the floor.
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Old 09-06-2018, 02:18 PM   #32
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KITN to the dealer for not calling the floor right away.
KITN to the dealer for mucking 2 cards that have no reason to be mistaken for mucked cards at this point.
KITN to the dealer for flipping the As before calling the floor.
The dealer was new and had no idea he had even done this and argued with me that he didnít. I think it was because he was so baffled. It was the players who told him he needed to count the muck to figure if he had made the mistake.

That said as a new dealer, as soon as a couple players start saying thereís an issue, just call the floor, thatís what theyíre there for!

Others have mentioned anti-collusion measures. There was no way any of this was more than an honest mistake that got compounded several times.
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Old 09-12-2018, 04:20 AM   #33
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Re: One of the weirdest preflop situations Iíve seen...

make the turn and the river the rest of the flop
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