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Originally Posted by steamraise
Are you suggesting that he was clearly intending to raise?
Maybe he just wanted change.
Maybe he wanted them to think he was trying to raise.
What I'm suggesting is to not put 'intent' into the opinion of a Floor/Dealer, and I've seen plenty of 'Rule #1' rulings that went against the letter of an exact rule. IMOAD, yes this was an intended raise.
Did the Player ask for change or make any other physical motion that suggested that this was a call? What kind of change is he looking for ... He pulled back 260 to toss out 2000 for a 1060 bet. Why not leave the 60 out there and toss in 1000 on top? Stretch comment for sure ...
Could it have been an angle? Maybe ... we love trying to manufacture angles.
I've long taken the stand that 'any' (silent/motionless) multi-chip bet should first be taken at full face value before applying any of the current rules to determine a call or raise. To me it's pretty simple ... hold a Player accountable for chips they enter into the betting area. This would eliminate LOTS of Floor calls (in time) and force Players to more often verbalize their action before physically trying to fulfill that action.
We protect the low limit Player from themselves in certain spots. 1/2, raise to 6 and then a Player tries to call with two 5s. IMO this should be a raise to 10 ... force the Player to say call before they put out the chips. But under the current rules this is a call since removing one chips puts it below 6. There's nothing wrong with asking Players to pay attention to the action and/or protect their action by verbalizing first. We would certainly expect a Player to say 'change' if they put out a 25 and a 1 in this spot to make a call.
There's no need to further rattle this cage in this thread, it's been hashed out in others. GL