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One Chip Rule apply with other chips already out? One Chip Rule apply with other chips already out?

09-27-2018 , 06:24 PM
For what it's worth, I would guess that the original reason for this rule is that it causes less arguments if a player accidentally calls when he meant to raise, as opposed to forcing players to raise when they actually meant to call. If you raise by accident (and it's obvious that it was an accident) you are opening the action for your opponent to reraise you off your apparently weak hand. Whereas if you are forced to call when you meant to raise, you don't have nearly as much of a disadvantage.

I've accidentally reopened action in a 1/2 game where a player raised to 7 with one red chip and two whites, and I mistakenly thought it was a raise to 12 so I put in 2 red chips and two whites, and then the dealer announced my action as a raise, and then the initial raiser was able to 4bet. Reopening the action accidentally when you meant to call is a worse punishment than accidentally calling when you meant to raise.
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09-28-2018 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ballin4life
I would guess that the original reason for this rule is that it causes less arguments if a player accidentally calls when he meant to raise, as opposed to forcing players to raise when they actually meant to call. If you raise by accident (and it's obvious that it was an accident) you are opening the action for your opponent to reraise you off your apparently weak hand. Whereas if you are forced to call when you meant to raise, you don't have nearly as much of a disadvantage.
Your first sentence is accurate - it causes fewer arguments.

The next few are not - it costs an accidental caller more than an accidental raiser.

You're erroneously thinking of it like this: "when I accidentally raise and get 4bet, I lose $12." But that's not what happened. You lost $12 multiplied by your equity.

Likewise, you're erroneously thinking of accidentally calling like this: "when I accidentally call, I would have put that money in anyway." But you actually lost (raise amount minus call amount) x your equity.

When you want to raise, typically your equity is high and the raise is much more than the call.
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09-28-2018 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d
This is silly to me. We shouldn't need to protect people from learning how to correctly call a raise.
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Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d
This is out of context. And does not at all address my question. A million people have already explained the rule and we all get it. You saying “Learn the rule” doesn’t add to the discussion.
Huh? It is not out of context at all. Are you missing the irony that yours is the same argument?
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09-28-2018 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
I will third this. In NL, I additionally announce the size of my raise - two different ways.

I do announce bet and fold...
You just like the hear yourself talk.

I hardly say a thing when playing poker.

Sometimes announcing your action as you're acting is confusing.
When your physical action is crystal clear, I think maybe I heard you wrong.
I'm wondering "Why did he say call? He must have said raise...I better see what he does."
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09-28-2018 , 04:40 PM
Unfortunately, physical actions are often not "crystal clear", which is why we get threads like this one.
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09-28-2018 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Unfortunately, physical actions are often not "crystal clear"
Sadly true. Doesn't take much effort to be clear.
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09-28-2018 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Unfortunately, physical actions are often not "crystal clear", which is why we get threads like this one.
Physical acts are generally clear (threads like this are not because the act was unclear but because of disagreement about what the action should mean). On the other hand verbalbaction is frequently unclear. This can be because many people mumble, whisper, cover their mouths when acting. Some may have accents that are difficult to understand, some use ambitious terms, the background noise in a casino may cause issues and cross conversations and mutiple people speaking at once can make verbal statements unclear.
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09-28-2018 , 06:32 PM
imo it depends how the $100 was placed across the line.. just set on top of the other chips, sorry you goofed, call.. set on top of the other chips and then pushed forward altogether as one, raise.. tossed in carelessly, call.. come across with the $100 chip, pick up the three $5 chips, and drop them altogether, raise
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09-29-2018 , 06:57 AM
If you don't have an amount already out there that covers the size of the bet, there are two reasons a player would want to add a single oversized chip. They 1.) Want to call or 2.) Want to raise.

Since it's ambiguous and they've given us no clues as to which they want to do, we go with the smaller of the two actions. Why is this so hard?
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09-29-2018 , 01:59 PM
this is why you should only have low denomination chips. plus its more fun to bet fat stacks
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09-30-2018 , 09:35 PM
In this spot, it should be ruled a call per 1 chip rule.

If you wanted to come over the top again and not say anything?
Then you should've pulled back your original bet of $15, add $100 to the original bet and then pushed forward $115 all together.

It avoids ambiguous situations that require a floor and if it's important to you, you'll kinda look like Tom Dwan doing it.
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10-01-2018 , 10:27 AM
had this debate on a facebook forum... in dallas they use oversized chip rule in tourneys but not in cash games.
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10-01-2018 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TS2
had this debate on a facebook forum... in dallas they use oversized chip rule in tourneys but not in cash games.
I live in the Dallas area and have personally never played in a room here where that is the case. Every room (and all casinos within driving distance from DFW) that I have played or heard information of use the standard oversized chip rule for all games. Not saying there are no rooms at all that do this, but it is by no means the standard to allow a single unannounced oversized chip to be a raise.
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10-01-2018 , 05:22 PM
/thread already
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10-02-2018 , 09:01 AM
It was a person claiming to deal in dallas so i did believe her, maybe she is mistaken.

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Originally Posted by waldoworld
I live in the Dallas area and have personally never played in a room here where that is the case. Every room (and all casinos within driving distance from DFW) that I have played or heard information of use the standard oversized chip rule for all games. Not saying there are no rooms at all that do this, but it is by no means the standard to allow a single unannounced oversized chip to be a raise.
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