SNG is 6 handed, 4 players in a hand: seat 1, 3, 5, and Hero in 6. On the turn seat 1 exposes a 7 (unclear if accidental or purposeful), leaves it up for a second, then flips it back. Seat 5 says after the hand that she saw the 7. Not sure if dealer saw. Hero doesn't see the card or even that a card was exposed. No player in the game says anything and turn checks around. My question pertains to the obligations and abilities of the other players:
1) If the dealer saw a card was exposed and that some players may have seen it, should dealer announce/re-expose the card so all may see?
2) If a player in the hand saw the card, are they obligated to say anything? Are they allowed to say anything?
As a dealer I will always announce exposed hand in for unless the hand is heads up. Of course if I don't see it, I dont know about it so I'm not announcing it.
I believe other players have an obligation to let the dealer know when they see an exposed card in a multiway pot .... However their doing so is problematic .... What should be done if a player says he saw another players card? Is it fair to simply take his word and expose a card to everybody .... What if he is lying? What if he says he saw a 7 and he is wrong? What if he is deliberately wrong?
YTF should be around in a while to go over how many times a player claims to know what a card was that he saw and was wrong.
As psandman mentions above, it is difficult to enforce making someone say what they saw during a hand. Therefore, I'd fall back to David Sklansky's proposal that you should only have rules against things you can detect. In this case, there shouldn't be a rule requiring players to tell what they saw. The dealer should only announce the card if they clearly saw it.
If a player announces that they saw a card, the dealer should say, "Seat 2 says they saw seat 5 had the 6 of hearts." The dealer shouldn't expose the card until after the hand is over. Each player has to decide for themselves whether that is true or not during the hand. The players after the hand can see for themselves whether seat 2 is truthful or not.
If the exposed card is part of a players live hand, then IMO no one has an obligation to announce that they saw it or what they saw with one exception - if a card was deliberately exposed in a way that not everyone in the hand could see it (as in to show someone but not everyone).
Robert's has language about 'shown' cards .. is that the same as 'exposed'? Probably ..
Player's yet to act on a street are supposed to inform that table of what 'they know' that the other Players don't know.
Player's who have acted are supposed to inform the table when the street is closed. I assume if betting gets reopened that a Player would then be responsible as above to inform the table.
Player's who are not in the hand keep the information to themselves.
I don't find anything specific in TDA2017 about shown or exposed hands by Players. GL
Typically this only comes up during the Deal, but I think it should apply during the rest of the hand as well.
Player's should inform the table of what they 'think' they saw, but the Player involved IS NOT responsible for confirming or denying the information. I saw this multiple times on WSOP streams where a Player gave information to the table and the Floor DID NOT require the Player to turn the card over for 'confirmation' and/or have it replaced.
This was especially 'famous' during the One Drop when a Player thought he saw an Ace and the Floor just made him turn it over ... The way the action took place and with the exposed Ace a Player made an all-in call and eliminated the two other Players. Had the information remained 'I think I saw an Ace' a different decision may have happened.
There are obvious angles that can take place with mis-information but these spots don't come up very often. One Player shouldn't have an advantage (extra information) over any other Players due to another Player's actions. GL
Agreed. Player should identify that he believes he saw another player's hand, nothing more (and he should only do this if he is continuing in the hand and not folding/folded). Then everyone plays on with this additional piece of info.
If the player does say of his own volition what card(s) he thinks he saw, then that info should also be communicated to other players, but that is not the preferred outcome.
Definitely never force the player to show the card. Only exception is when it happens during a deal and the player is getting a replacement card for one that flashed.
