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07-19-2021 , 05:57 PM
People worry about the button too much. Get the blinds right first, then place the button.
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07-19-2021 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
People worry about the button too much. Get the blinds right first, then place the button.
People worry about 'any' Player not having to pay their way around the table too much in cash.

People worry about Players being away from the table so they have to pay a Blind one hand earlier than they would otherwise.

The bigger issue is if a Player is actively trying to gain position or miss/skip a Blind. Of course we aren't in the intention business, so we have to come up with these scenarios to cover the unusual situations that come up.

I've seen a 5-10-20 NL short-handed feeder table where a Player could come back in on the Button if they missed their Blinds .. as long as they posted $35 dead. Now that's an expensive trip to the bathroom! GL
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07-19-2021 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Robot9999
Here is an example. Seat one is small blind and busts on the hand. He gets up. The button should be on seat one, but there is no player there,so we move the button to seat two. Seat two just skipped the small blind. Seat 3 is the small blind. He would have been the big blind, so he also skipped a blind.
This is standard procedure and no one is concerned that the players skipped a $1 or $3 blind .
Sure, we could make seat one post small blind on button and have two big blinds, but that is not the way it is done . Players are used to this and usually no one even questions it.
Not even close to standard procedure as many have pointed out. Also not even standard at all of the quasi legal rooms in Houston. Which rooms are you saying this is standard?
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07-19-2021 , 10:54 PM
With as many Players who are flocking to TX to play this should probably be a nightly issue/surprise/question from 'any' out of towner ..

.. This is like the 'lucky dog' in NASCAR where someone gets to take advantage of someone else's wreck. GL
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07-21-2021 , 04:36 AM
If you're using the moving button rule, there are 3 rules to follow:

* Button moves to the next player every hand
* Every player has to post a small and a big blind (you'll never have just 1 blind)
* No one posts their blinds behind the button.

In some of the worst cases, this can result in the button, small blind, and big blind all posting their big blinds with the button also posting a dead small blind. Next hand, small blind is posted on the button in addition to the small blind and big blind. Assuming no one gets knocked out, the moving button rule gets the blinds back to normal within 2 hands.
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07-21-2021 , 10:18 PM
Actually SB can be posted behind the button.

So and bb both bust. Btn moves to prior Utg who posts bb on button. SB and BB both also post BBs. Next hand this btn post Sb behind btn, old Sb post Sb on btn bb post Sb in normal position and second Utg now posts bb normal

First hand three bb with one on btn.
Second hand three Sb and one bb. One Sb is behind btn, one is on btn and third is normal.
Third hand al is back to normal.
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07-22-2021 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Fore
Actually SB can be posted behind the button.

So and bb both bust. Btn moves to prior Utg who posts bb on button. SB and BB both also post BBs.
Button also posts a dead small. So you'll have a small blind and three big blinds in play.
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07-22-2021 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DisRuptive1
Button also posts a dead small. So you'll have a small blind and three big blinds in play.
No. The former Utg and now btn post a bb on th btn. If he were to post a dead Sb he would miss his bb. So you wind up with three bb and no sb. Next hand three Sb including one behind btn, one on btn and one in normal position. Third hand all is back to normal
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07-22-2021 , 09:58 PM
He posts both a (live) BB on the BUT and a *dead* SB, if you want to avoid having CO also post a SB.
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07-22-2021 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dinesh
He posts both a (live) BB on the BUT and a *dead* SB, if you want to avoid having CO also post a SB.
Yes could do that but what is the big deal about posting Sb in co? Heck I would not even make SB be dead. Sur it is advantage to post SB on btn or in co but the occurrence is random and infrequent enough I would not worry about it.
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07-23-2021 , 05:53 AM
It’s not fair to force someone to post dead money because someone else got felted. Should just let them post sb behind the button.
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07-23-2021 , 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by dinesh
if you want to avoid having CO also post a SB.
Why would you want to do this?
I have had a live blind behind the button a few times.
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07-23-2021 , 08:54 AM
I dunno, I'm just explaining disruptive's three rules, which fore was alleging would cause one player to miss his BB, but which he clearly explained (twice) was avoided by having BUT post both a BB and a dead SB on the first hand. I'm not sure if there was confusion about it or just two different preferences for how FMB would work in that situation, so I tried to help clarify.
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07-23-2021 , 07:15 PM
Not at all true. I never contended anyone would miss a bb a Sb. In fact I was demonstrating the exact opposite. Neither the dead button rule nor moving button rule ever if done right skip someone’s bb nor Sb nor their turn as button. I also never said any of these blinds should be posted dead.

Others itt have made those claims but not me. I am with steam I have posted live behind the button and on the button many times.

And Disruptives third rule is wrong as my post was demonstrating. Posting behind the button is no problem.

Look at my post #12. I specifically and clearly state neither rule forces anyone to pay a bb or a sb twice nor do they get skipped from paying their rightful blinds. No double cost. No free ride.

Last edited by Fore; 07-23-2021 at 07:22 PM.
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07-24-2021 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Fore
Not at all true. I never contended anyone would miss a bb a Sb.
I guess I am the one who is now confused. Didn't you say this (about disruptives proposed process)?

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Originally Posted by Fore
No. The former Utg and now btn post a bb on th btn. If he were to post a dead Sb he would miss his bb.
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