If he is looking for a reason to check fold scary boards when he doesn't have the initiative, he is playing the weak-tight, losing strategy we give him credit for. He is out of position there and he really isn't going to extract too much value with the best hand considering that any decent size move he makes at the pot with an overpair overrepresents his hand. I hate the limp call preflop, but his turn fold is actually a good one. It is kind of sad how he just baits people to ask him what he had so he can brag about how he folded a huge hand.

With regard to the TT vs. T7 hand. He keeps referring to it like he took some kind of bad beat there. I don't remember the preflop action, but he put in a lot with TT and then check folded a Q high board or something. Hard to argue for a bad beat(or a good read) when you fold the best hand on the flop facing one bet. He always talks about how people are playing so fast and how is setting them up. All that ever happens is folds the best hand or takes a stand and pays off a lot with the worst hand.

the way PH played that QQ hand was just downright pathetic

I think he is playing bad weak-tight poker and is trying to brag about his "big laydowns" (indeed, this ties in with JRB's "how much did you lose in the hand?" comment-- he's making "big laydowns" for very little money).

And I think you are perceptive about position. Indeed, I'm no expert on NL strategy (I play mostly limit) but it seems to me that it's A LOT better to slowplay one of these hands in position than it is out of it. That both gives you the ability to get a better read before making a hero fold AND to be able to milk more chips out of your opponent when your "trap" works.

Out of position, you really need to bet your hand if you are going to play it at all.

With respect to the TT vs. T7 hand, I think, in the end, he made the elementary mistake of calling a huge bet without a plan for the rest of the hand. If your read is "this guy is FOS", you can't really flat tens after a 5-bet because there are so many scare cards. You can flat aces or kings, but not tens. So it's much better to just shove pre-. If your read is wrong and he's got aces or kings, OK, you lose, but it's actually OK to lose because your read is wrong.

What's bad with Hellmuth's line is that he's refusing to take a decisive action. If your read is that he's got it, fold. If your read is that he doesn't have it, shove. There's really no in between with pocket tens.

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this is still on?

5 nits and a douchebag

PAD sucks. Show one hand, show an ad, show 2 hands, show an ad...

The best thing about PAD is Leeann Tweeden and the Papa Johns ad. But i still find myself watching it hoping for some action.

Leeann eating papa johns, imo.

jfc it annoys me so much with how nitty Ferguson plays. He's ****ing folding KJ and 64s to just opening raises, in position, with 100x the bet behind. WTF!

How many times can Phil bring up the hand 5 months ago with Adams?
10,10 vs. 10, 7

The answer, at least 6 times an F-ing show

[ ] has heard of cash games

Does anyone else get more pleasure than Phil folding big hands?

Did Mike just lay down QQ to a three bet ...

And then correctly call out Mizrachi's hand as well?

And Adams raising to like $1,600 with AQ and folding to Chris' re-raise to like $4,000
(Chris with A,9)

Seems nit-a-licous

At least Mike won when he had the Ace burgers........

"king salmon" is some ish, Ali has officially lost the plot.

That was a good laydown by mike matusow. I wish they would have rabbit hunted.

That's one of the strongest folds in the history of tv poker.

Mike always makes amazing folds so that one didn't surprise me at all. Here are a few other excellent lay downs by Mike:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viAbXmPRu_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SXz5IPdji8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsjelwcsOCw
He also folded King high flush to Ivey on Million Dollar Cash Game, Ivey was done with the hand, Mike value bet and got check raised huge.

Moral of the story: When you fold %90 of your nut type hands, you will correctly fold QQ vs the biggest nit of poker, Ferguson, that holds AA - without trying to flop a set lol.

Very few interesting hands these past two weeks,it's been an all out nitfest from the get go with running commentary from Matusow.

Not good.

I actually was gonna come here and say that Mike is playing some good poker with the 3betting instead of coming over the top. Then I saw the QQ-hand and I'm not sure what to think about that. *thinking*. I'm not sure what to think about that.

The highlight so far was Ali's comment about Matasow "Steam Limping", that's about it

lol nitweekaments

Some guy just folded QQ face up to a 3bet and Hellmuth gets it allin preflop with him next episode. Makes no sense. LOL

I bet Hellmuth has 10/10 at best next episode. I'm guessing AK.

GUESS HELLMUTH'S ALLIN HAND!!

I really don't see why everyone is bitching, this has been some very well played poker (minus the way Hellmuth played QQ.

Also, has anyone noticed how symmetrical the poll is?