I don't give a damn about JRB, I'm just talking about the play in general.

Haha ya i dont really care about jrb either or his bankroll problems but the hand has too many unique circumstances to it that you can't fairly generalize the play imo

Wow. That last episode was a snoozefest.

Nobody does what Papa Johns does.

god, if i know someone is on 1 bullet and i have 10+mill like mizrachi or 500mill+ ferguson, i will be putting bellande allin every big pot, he wont call, he woulda folded those KK, guaranteeed

Ali had a good line. "Steam limp for Matusow."

Damnit Hellmuth, if you don't want to have to fold QQ to a turn semi-bluff, perhaps you might try raising them and getting J4s out of the way?

Ferguson hadn't been playing that tight. Perhaps in calling, but he had been opening a bit and is capable of making moves in spots. I don't understand why JRB didn't flat there in position though.

Mizrachi doesn't exactly have 10million+. Seeing as though he is staked and his house is being forclosed on....

http://www.pokergurublog.com/content...g-wsop-event-2

wow i think fergus0n shoulda folded that AK, hes in for what? 8k 9k? 30k more to him? reshoved 75k so he gambled 75k on a "flip at best" cuz he knew bellande couldnt fold.. wtf he think he has? i bet bellande has AQ here 5% the time, the rest is AA KK and AKs at worst.. i feel bad for JRB, now HES who we shoulda got on pokerstars the biggame! he woulda been entertaining

are you f KIdding me????FOLDING 9/10 and KJ IP vs matusow???WTF???

lol
"I am Mike Matusow... I am drawing dead"

given his play with the AQ on one bullet, i would guess this isn't true

No way he's playing KK+ that way. He'd be re-raising with those hands. He wouldn't flat-call with two players still to act, potentially creating a five-way pot.

Yeah, except he got it all in pre with a,q after being 3 bet by the biggest nit at the table.

Hellmuth sure has to buy a lot of cheese before he gets to spring one of those traps.

I think on shows like these they're playing for 10% of what is shown on TV. Buy in for 10K to get 100K in chips and act like it's a lot of money for them.

If you look at Peter Jetten's tournament stats in 2008 he came second for that WSOP bracelet he mentioned on the show for 528K and later in 2008 350K in a high roller. Since then he won 320K in jan 2010 at aussie millions and 170K at the 2010 WSOP, since then almost nothing (a 45K euro payout in a 25K euro buyin tournament looks nice but is just a mincash). In between are a list of small cashes which probably barely pay for the travel and hotel expenses, not to mention he has living expenses as well and probably plays those events staked so big wins aren't 100% his. He only won 120K total for the whole of 2009.
A guy like that who despite being a good tournament poker player is financially barely managing just isn't going to blow 100K for entertainment purposes. Matusow and Bellande are also unlikely to play for a full 100K, even if it's 10K they have to get staked for that amount.

notsureifserious

Lol poker players make all their money in cash games bro. Peter Jetten made millions online prior to the past couple years.

Whenever a player is on a show like The Big Game, High Stakes Poker, or Poker After Dark, each player gets paid $1,250/hour for playing. All the money on the table is actually theirs.

Having criticized the QQ play (it was awful), I will say this:

There is one defensible thing about the trapping strategy. It does minimize the losses you face on scary boards. (Indeed, Hellmuth may really be making a MUBSy play, not a trap here.)

Compare this QQ hand to the infamous Brandon Adams hand where he had TT.

In the QQ hand, he limp-called, and folded when an ace came out. It cost him a few thousand dollars.

In the TT hand, he raised and re-raised pre-flop, got called, and folded when an overcard came out. It cost him a lot more.

The thing is, it is extremely common that you raise with QQ, get called or 3-bet, and then a king or an ace or both hit and you end up having to puke-fold and lose a big pot, or c-bet into someone who turns out to have you crushed.

What Hellmuth, I guess, is really trying to do is preserve his ability to cheaply fold to scare cards. If the board runs out right, he can set his trap and milk the other player for some chips. If the board runs out wrong, he can get away from his hand and it doesn't cost him much.

The problem with this play is that he is giving up all the advantages of aggression and the ability to win any big pots with his hands. He's giving up the high reward because he doesn't like the high risk.

Except he practically never has AA/KK, just because one does not play those hands like hands that way to even consider it for Ferguson. Ferguson said he put him onAK, with JJ/TT (like Mike said) being the other very very viable possibilities.

raising is just as bad as folding, both ridiculously bad. Calling is clearly the correct play.

If they were straight up raising eachother until allin then yes, then he has that range. But Jetten raised, Hellmuth called, Bellande called as well, then Ferguson squeezed. If you slowplay a huge hand then you just call, to start raising there represents a less than premium hand that tries to resqueeze to steal the pot.
Don't forget last week Bellande was raising all the time with any ace-rag and almost always got 3bet and had to fold. Ferguson could easily assume he decided to play back with any weak ace this time (this is a new week and when Mizrachi came it he and Mike were discussing last week's prop bets, Mike said he won a 1400 bet for being right about a QT that made broadway, that implies that the players had seen last week's footage).

mike knew JRB had QT because JRB told them what he had to settle their bet. they hadn't seen any of the hole cards or footage. this is all pretty much one big session to them afaik, it's just cut up for us

I meant pre-flop. Raise them pre-flop and you don't have to contend with J4s.