you show me any hand that is a bigger favorite than AA. Just because you are 33% to win doesn't make you the favorite. The next best hand is 25%. 5 handed the favorite to win is 33% is still the favorite.

So with Tiger being a 3-1 to win a tournament doesn't make him the favorite because he is less than 50% to win it?

You're still nitting it up about the definition after other people mentioned you're being a nit about it?

Why in the world would you talk strategy at the table with someone that's clearly ignorant of odds? Either ignore it, say something like "Oh no, I'm way behind!" or "Crap, I thought you had AJ."

Guys, you're ruining the thread. Please take the AA discussion elsewhere, if you don't mind.

The funniest part is that while most people play to make money, most are not making any. The people who play the game for non-monetary reasons are succeeding at poker more than most dollar chasers. They want to have a good time and they are.

is his name daniel negreanu?

Forgive me if this is something that has been beaten to death on here already, I did a quick search and didn't find it...

Anyway, last week I'm playing some LHE at the local fishery. in a rare occurrence, folds to the blinds, they chop - sb folds q7 off face up. Dealer looks and says "oooh, queen seven, if this was online you'd play that!" SB says "you better believe it!" Pause...and i wait to see if anyone else is going to comment on this, finally I say "what are you guys talking about?"

Dealer says "oh, queen seven - that's the hand that wins most online. I thought everyone knew that." "ummm...no, I did not." guy to my right chimes in - "oh, well it's proven to win more than any other hand" - and I start to see the whole table nodding their heads in agreement and dimissively glancing towards me...like, this "fact" is common knowledge and sigh, where the F have you been kid...

I decided to let it die at that point, but the other seemingly solid player at the table then took the reins and asked the question that I was also going to ask - "so are you guys saying that the sites are intentionally fixing it for queen 7 to win, or that there's some kind of error in the programming that just makes queen 7 win." The guy to my right then gets impatient and is like "LOOK - play on Full Tilt Poker any time - I GUARANTEE you that queen seven will hit the flop more often than any other hand!!!" Silence for a minute...then other good player says "but what do you mean by hit the flop? I would think that you don't really want to make a pair with queen 7..." guy is now at the end of his rope - "look, the dealer even said, it's SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN to win more than any other hand." (LOL!) The rest of the table starts shaking their heads, as if to say "jeez kid, what do you want, some kind of REASONABLE explanation?"

and that was that until ten minutes later, new dealer comes in. Other guy, taking one last stab, says to the dealer "do you know anything about a hand that always wins online?" Dealer: "of course, queen seven. I thought everybody knew that."

WTF??? Is this some Fish Tale that I should have heard somewhere before and just somehow missed?

Yes you missed the memo, Q7 can make many straights and often flops a pair, which is a good hand in hold em.

LDO Why do you think they call Q7 "THE COMPUTER HAND" DUH!!!

I believe that Q7 is the average strength hand. Of course, that has nothing to do with how often it wins.

J 5 in my area. "You have JacksonFive, why do you fold??? JACKSONFIVEE!!!(screeching voice...)"

Tell them "I didn't play it because it's the Jackson Four now."

The Queen-Seven thing:
"There are two different stories on the origin of "computer hand" that I've heard at various poker tables across the country.

One story says that an old computer simulation picked this as the best hand to compete against two Aces. This story is not very likely, unless there was bad programming involved. The best hand to play against a pair of aces is one that contains two suited connectors, like 8- diamonds and 9-diamonds or 5-hearts and 6-hearts. This answer can be derived both logically and through computer simulation.

The other story is that a computer simulation picked Q-7 offsuit as the median starting hand. That is, when Q-7 offsuit is played against a random starting hand it wins very close to 50% of the time. This story seems more likely. In recent computer simulations Q-7 offsuit is ranked very near the middle of all the hands."

Also this.
http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...509&page=&vc=1

got it, I actually thought that jack-7 was the median hand, but that makes sense.

Still funny that people hear "the computer hand" and all assume that it means "hand that wins the most on the computer."

Fish sits down next to me last night at Commerce Casino..offers me two gems of wisdom:

First one occurs after a hand I'm playing in. I'm semi-bluffing all the way to the river, and upon showdown I say to my opponent(not the fish), "I have two pair." He shows a bigger two pair and I muck without showing. Fish to my left says, "Don't you think that's a little unethical, what you just did? If you say two pair and he mucks, it's unethical." To which I say, "If he mucks without making me show my hand then he's an idiot anyways."

Second gem of wisdom, told to me after he wins two pots in a row (with QQ and KK):

"You should never raise preflop. There's just no benefit in doing it."

After he limps in with QQ and KK preflop with 6 other limpers and miraculously his hand holds up both times.

I've heard this innumerable times from donks over the years at live table, and it's always comical.

You are the absurd one in this story. What you did is against the rules.

I know this is from waaaay back in this thread, but this tilts me so hard that I need the world to know how hard I would have smashed that host's face over it.

Someone like you I make show even if I don't have ****!!! Because you should just show anyway!!!

That's a pretty scummy thing for you to do if you lied about your hand.

Vacation a couple of years ago in Ireland and find a "sports club" in Cork that has a poker room. I go in and find out that i just missed the start of their 200 Euro tournament and they are waiting for enough players to open a cash game. The first guy to bust out of the tourney shows up, so of course I ask him how he got busted. Apparently he raised UTG w/ QT, flopped his Q and got it all-in against a set. I'm thinking it's going to be a good night!

First hand of the cash game, dry flop, boring turn (sorry, it's been 2 years, key is that neither was likely to be on a draw). The first victim from the tournament goes all-in and gets snap-called by an older guy at the table. The old guy shows pocket 4s, no set on a board with 3 overs and a 2. The 44 holds up and wins.

I'm trying to figure out if they are both that bad or if the 2nd guy knew the first guy and had some sort of reliable read on him. I quietly asked him. "That was a big call. How did you know you were good?" His answer: "I put him on the deuce."

Epilogue: The old dude played almost straightforward ABC poker for the rest of the night. I know he saw something, but damn, what a 1-liner. The aggro donk had a pocket full of black chips and I had a good night.

reminded me of this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRIRembBbE0

Playing $2/$3 at a local casino. There's a raise to $15 and then someone to my right shoves all-in for about $150. When everyone folds he tables KK and says 'I didn't want a call because an ACE always hits the flop'.

I get KK a little while later and flop a set on a K/8/6 board with 2 hearts. End up getting my $300 stack all-in on the turn (which included about a $200 shove into a similar sized pot), getting a call from Q/9 of hearts and of course the heart hits the river.

Fish from earlier: 'see, what's why I raised to $150, KK never wins!'

You guys really need to read the posts you're quoting. He clearly said "the other player showed a bigger two pair" and several of you are implying he misdeclared his hand. I'm guessing the "semi-bluff to the river" involved a small pair that made a crappy two pair.